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How to adapt the VT Master Cylinder to early model Commodores
Started by RB30-POWER · 13 Apr 2008 · 339 repliesPreserved from CalaisTurbo (partial recovery). Original authors and dates are shown; archived members are not current Holdcom accounts.
03-05-10, 18:49 GMT+10#202
Yes, but you need to do alot more mods to make it work, why when the vs bolts straight in
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04-05-10, 03:51 GMT+10#203
Well just asking as I have one at home and it would save getting a vs one. But that's fine. Il grab one. Thanks
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04-05-10, 04:30 GMT+10#204
just wanted to say, had all this fitted up for a little while, vtmaster vs booster/res etc.
using std brakes on the rear and r33 4spot calipers on vn sv5000 330x30mm rotors. (front brakes serviced and plates supplied by vhr32, look him up, awesome bloke and his work stuff works 100%)
straight away they felt good..
but after about 500kms of very soft run in driving (soft on engine and brakes) they feel fantastic. i dont think i could live without this brake upgrade now, literally, its the firmness that really gives that good feeling, instant response too.
now when im driving every day in my pulsar im scared i wont be able to stop in time, where as i used to feel like that going from the pulsar to the calais haha.
goodwriteup guys, also if there is a market for premade brackets that bolt the booster to the firewall let me know, guy that whipped mine up could probably smash out a few more for those of us who dont have welders lying around.
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12-05-10, 21:13 GMT+10#205
Hey guys im only 16 and i managed to do this, took me a little while, the vs reservoir i bought wasn't the proper one the holes didn't line up, so i just drilled through and put a bolt through i had, and all went good, it takes a bit of time and patience bending the brakes lines, i haven't even bleed the brakes yet and the peddle is so much better, I didn't use any line adapters but i wanna do it properly thing is i live in a lil country town where noone sells these, so would anyone be keen to buy some for me and send em to me? All pay all expenses plus a bit extra, does anyone wanna help me out?
Cheers
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08-06-10, 08:14 GMT+10#206
Ring race brakes they have the 3 adapters ..2 different types: 2 for front lines ,1 for rear line..not cheap but you dont have any real choice....credit card over the phone or work out some other form of payment and they will send them to you.I got mine from melbourne 03 96877222 .
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08-06-10, 08:44 GMT+10#207
I got mine from Hoppers Stoppers, from memory I paid about AU$35 for a set? may seem like a lot to some, but yea like markovr said, you don't have any other choice, you really should use the adapters.
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01-07-10, 20:29 GMT+10#208
anyone know if the vs v6 booster and vt master cyl setup will bolt into my vh sl/e?
got spares lying around lol
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02-07-10, 07:32 GMT+10#209
If you've got them as spares lying around you may as well give it a try
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04-07-10, 08:48 GMT+10#210
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anyone know if the vs v6 booster and vt master cyl setup will bolt into my vh sl/e?
got spares lying around lol
It should..vt one fits perfect to a vh (even the front bracket bolts up) and the booster is bigger than the vs plastic one.
You will have to bend the lines around to fit and do something with the screw adjustment on the booster for where the rod pushes on the master but it should all fit and clear everything.
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04-07-10, 15:54 GMT+10#211
did ya have to change anything to get vt booster to fit??
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can someone put up a pic of the firewall side of vs booster when it's ready to fit?
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09-07-10, 11:07 GMT+10#212
i got a quick one for people, regarding single flare double flare etc
spoke to my neighbour he said bull**** everything from as far back as he can remember is double flare, so i checked my brake lines sure enough double flare
so why do we need these adapters? am i missing something?
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09-07-10, 13:26 GMT+10#213
The VT brake lines at the Master Cyl end are a single-flare type (I think this changed around mid-VP).
As a comparison, my flatmate put a VT master cyl into his VR, and he didnt need any adapters because the flares on his brake lines mated up with the VT master.
But when I put the VT master in my VL, I needed the adapters because my brake lines didn't mate properly with the master.
This diagram might help to explain: (just pretend the arrows are the flares)
(VT Master cyl) |> <| (VL lines) ....the Threads on the fittings will mate up, but the Flares are the same (think of it as 2 magnetic North-Poles) - you would be trying to make them seal on the tip of each flare (not enough surface area to provide an adequate seal).
(VT Master cyl) |> >| (VP-onward lines) ...here the flares are opposite of each other, so one will seal 'inside' the other.
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09-07-10, 14:42 GMT+10#214
you got it right, some ppl just need to listen (read) and then go and see for them selves
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09-07-10, 15:10 GMT+10#215
i have read the thread, just not the update stuff, someone earlier on was explaining single flare to double flare difference which is wrong
what seems to be the case is both are double flares but one has an inverted seat
i'll check this out when i get home
without looking when i get home i assume these would be the differences
Some original photos have not been recovered yet.
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10-07-10, 12:13 GMT+10#216
Do you need to modify anything to mount a VL Turbo 1" Master cylinder to a VS booster?
Another question - whats the difference between a VS V6 booster and a VS V8 booster??
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12-07-10, 10:01 GMT+10#217
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Do you need to modify anything to mount a VL Turbo 1" Master cylinder to a VS booster?
Another question - whats the difference between a VS V6 booster and a VS V8 booster??
You won't fit a VL master to a VS booster. The mounting configuration is different and the VS master cylinder like the VT one also as a protruding rear body that sits into the booster.
VS master cylinder bore is 22.22mm and 28.57mm it is a stepped bore.
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12-07-10, 11:01 GMT+10#218
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I did this conversion a few days ago, only took an hour and its the best mod ive done to the car. Cost about $100 all up as i got the line adaptors from the local brake shop for $18
got a contact number? i'll be ****ed if im paying $66 for some ****ing brass adapters
even if i can get the fitting description i'll order a **** load from overseas spend $100 and get 50 sets of fittings
Some original photos have not been recovered yet.
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14-07-10, 21:10 GMT+10#219
Would re-boring a 1inch master cylinder (to make it oversize) do anything? I have the standard 1inch m/s with the VT twin pots, I haven't really driven the car more than a kilometre, but the brakes didn't feel that great.
I only ask as I have an RB25DET in the bay, and there is a gnat's c0ck clearance between the booster and intake plenum, which means it'll be a major pain to change the booster.
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