Quote: Originally Posted by RB2GO [View Post] The secret to easily engaging the oil pump is to pull the convertor forward a couple of mm every time you turn it, then push it back again. If you don't do that the face of the drive tang will be pushing against the oil pump and you'll be turning both together, meaning the index won't change and it'll never go in when you say push it forwards is that away from my body and then push it back again towards me?

Quote: Originally Posted by FRKVLT [View Post] when you say push it forwards is that away from my body and then push it back again towards me? thats what he means yes now that picture is of a spigot bush, have no idea what type it is from the picture piece of mind is to get hold of an 'auto' spigot bush and install it it remove that bush you need to pack the hole with heaps of wheel bearing grease and hit the grease with a punch, the punch has to be slightly smaller than the inside diameter of the bush if you do it correctly you'll hydraulically lock the grease and it will push the spigot out

yes, l will have to get hold of a punch, but amazingly they both are auto spigot bushes and still won't fit with my turbo auto...? l thought the spigot bushes come in only 1 size for the autos? l will take my old spigot bush out and install it in the new engine after l get a (drift) punch.

Quote: Originally Posted by FRKVLT [View Post] yes, l will have to get hold of a punch, but amazingly they both are auto spigot bushes and still won't fit with my turbo auto...? l thought the spigot bushes come in only 1 size for the autos? l will take my old spigot bush out and install it in the new engine after l get a (drift) punch. why dont you just get the converter and mount it on the back of the engine for a test if it fits then why bother changing the bush? i just has no idea what setup you had on your 'old' engine im still betting you didn't seat the converter properly

engine and trans is apart and converter is in properly after checking it over and over again. when l do the test it sits on the bush on my old engine (without mounting it on) as the bush is longer in lenth, but as soon as l put it on the new engine it doesn't sit just want to fall off but will mount on if l put the flex plate bolts on? confused. will check converter once again...NOW. ---------- Post added 31-12-11 at 12:32 ---------- pulled the converter and the input shaft also came out with it, now l can't get it off the converter....lol. ---------- Post added 31-12-11 at 12:33 ---------- Quote: Originally Posted by FRKVLT [View Post] Update: pulled the transmission and new engine out of the car and found the following: You can see in the pic with my old engine the bearing is long (in the centre). The new engine bearing is too small?? l'm assuming the bearings can be changed over? if yes, how would l go about changing the bearing? Would l have to return the engine or can l just install my old bearing in the new engine> cheers has anyone have a pic of their spigot bush on a vl, l would like to find out do they normally stick out or stay in the hole... pic would be great thanks.

Quote: Originally Posted by FRKVLT [View Post] engine and trans is apart and converter is in properly after checking it over and over again. when l do the test it sits on the bush on my old engine (without mounting it on) as the bush is longer in lenth, but as soon as l put it on the new engine it doesn't sit just want to fall off but will mount on if l put the flex plate bolts on? confused. will check converter once again...NOW. ---------- Post added 31-12-11 at 12:32 ---------- pulled the converter and the input shaft also came out with it, now l can't get it off the converter....lol. ---------- Post added 31-12-11 at 12:33 ---------- has anyone have a pic of their spigot bush on a vl, l would like to find out do they normally stick out or stay in the hole... pic would be great thanks. forget the spigot its just a guide to keep everything central and balanced, the converter bolts hold it all to the flex plate nowwwwww what you've ****ed up so when you installed it the first time you used the trans to pull the box and engine together which in turn probably damaged the converter or the input shaft to the gearbox, there is a good chance this is why the input shaft came out with the converter because you jammed it on to be safe, **** the converter off and replace the input shaft if your lucky you didn't **** the internals of the box understand?

Quote: Originally Posted by vltrb-0 [View Post] forget the spigot its just a guide to keep everything central and balanced, the converter bolts hold it all to the flex plate nowwwwww what you've ****ed up so when you installed it the first time you used the trans to pull the box and engine together which in turn probably damaged the converter or the input shaft to the gearbox, there is a good chance this is why the input shaft came out with the converter because you jammed it on to be safe, **** the converter off and replace the input shaft if your lucky you didn't **** the internals of the box understand? so get a new converter and input shaft and if l'm lucky it should work if the trans is ok internally? I might just drop it off to the trans place and get them to check it out. So definitely its not a spigot bush concern? - shorter or longer in length doesn't matter?

Quote: Originally Posted by FRKVLT [View Post] so get a new converter and input shaft and if l'm lucky it should work if the trans is ok internally? I might just drop it off to the trans place and get them to check it out. So definitely its not a spigot bush concern? - shorter or longer in length doesn't matter? as long as the converter locates in the bush and the converter is flush with the flex plate you wont have a problem if i was you and for the price get a 2nd hand shaft (assuming its a stock box) and replace the converter (you said you had a few lying around anyways) put them both in and get it going, worst case you cost yourself some trans fluid

It's highly likely the oil pump will be rooted.

thx for the help, will let you know how l go. ---------- Post added 31-12-11 at 18:03 ---------- qik clarification, so it doesn't matter if the spigot bush is longer or shorter it should still work either way and leave it as is and just get the trans checked out?

checked the converter and the splines everything seems ok, free spinning nice and smoothly, here are some pics as how it sits in the bellhousing wont go any further so lm still guessing the SPIGOT BUSH IS THE PROBLEM?

the spigot bush cannot be the problem if the flex plate is forced against the block. I think the converter was not engaged with the oil pump or it is the incorrect converter all together. They are the only two possible causes for the symptoms you have described.

its been said multiple times ITS NOT the spigot bush, either way sounds like youve ****ed something

Quote: Originally Posted by TUXEDO [View Post] the spigot bush cannot be the problem if the flex plate is forced against the block. I think the converter was not engaged with the oil pump or it is the incorrect converter all together. They are the only two possible causes for the symptoms you have described. cheers mate, will try to put the engine back in tomorrow and hopefully it will go in this time, l have pushed the converter as far back as l could and heard 3 clicks so hopefully it will work out. the converter is 3500 TCE from my turbo box so definitely isn't the incorrect converter. cheers

Forget counting clicks that's dumb, take measurements bellhousing to convertor bosses and flex plate to block. The bellhousing to convertor measurement must be bigger

Quote: Originally Posted by RB2GO [View Post] Forget counting clicks that's dumb, take measurements bellhousing to convertor bosses and flex plate to block. The bellhousing to convertor measurement must be bigger i think its like talking to a wall man, we've told him that a few posts ago and its like it never went in lol

Quote: Originally Posted by vltrb-0 [View Post] i think its like talking to a wall man, we've told him that a few posts ago and its like it never went in lol Lol

That looks like the manual spigot, but as said it's not going to interfere.

Can a turbo auto and torque converter be fitted to a N/A engine? my mechanic says that could be the problem? Should l go ahead and purchase N/A transmission and torque converter? that is what my mechanic has suggested?

cant see why the na auto and converter wont fit on the turbo block. i mean think about it the rb30 block regardless if its turbo or not are the same pattern to bolt up auto or manual.id be worried about what mechanic your taking your car to