Quote: Originally Posted by PRO STREETER my engine package with ignition, bolt ons, fuel set up cost me more money than it would to buy me a complete running proven 10 second streeter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! though my engine isnt too bad if i could do it again, id buy it done then spend the rest on condoms for all those bitches your gonna have jumping in your car!! rather than the 1's ull have to be paying for their fuel cause theyll always be driving you around cause your car will be at the shop getting worked on all the time!!! ANYONE WHOS BUILT A CAR... TELL ME IM WRONG!!??? no arguing here dude between me and my family we have built/are building a few serious cars and while I do love the pleasure of doin a car myself I can't stand the parting with my money bit! F**K that been doin it too long and its no longer fun LOL...... Also I am not one to be easily satisfied I won't settle for shit Like Milli Vanilli said "It's all or nothing" LOL Me been an ungrateful bastard cost me alot more money too. Put simply...... DUZ-10S was goin for a touch over $20K proven 10 sec car Let me tell you now even if you did alot yourself you wouldn't build it for double. Any of you fella's who are sayin they can build a "serious" car for less than buying one ain't ever been there................ Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by EAT-30T no arguing here dude between me and my family we have built/are building a few serious cars and while I do love the pleasure of doin a car myself I can't stand the parting with my money bit! F**K that been doin it too long and its no longer fun LOL...... Also I am not one to be easily satisfied I won't settle for shit Like Milli Vanilli said "It's all or nothing" LOL Me been an ungrateful bastard cost me alot more money too. Put simply...... DUZ-10S was goin for a touch over $20K proven 10 sec car Let me tell you now even if you did alot yourself you wouldn't build it for double. Any of you fella's who are sayin they can build a "serious" car for less than buying one ain't ever been there................ amen

yes of course it wont be cheaper building it yourself. But in saynig that you dont have to spend 40k to have a 10second car. alot of these cars that have had 40k spent on them and are a 9-10second car are 99% show cras as well. Eg 8-10k worth of paint 5k for interior 3k for rims theres almost 20k there, at the end of the day its up to the persons preference. Personally from buying a worked car and blowing 20k on it to blow up on me within 500kms i wish i would of spent that 20k on my own. Or in heindseit a DEPOSIT for a house Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by 750hp yes of course it wont be cheaper building it yourself. But in saynig that you dont have to spend 40k to have a 10second car. alot of these cars that have had 40k spent on them and are a 9-10second car are 99% show cras as well. Eg 8-10k worth of paint 5k for interior 3k for rims theres almost 20k there, at the end of the day its up to the persons preference. Personally from buying a worked car and blowing 20k on it to blow up on me within 500kms i wish i would of spent that 20k on my own. Or in heindseit a DEPOSIT for a house sorry to hear bout that but as they say "buyer beware" If you aren't 100% confident in what your buying don't buy it........................ I'm with ya on that house thing LOL ! Me and 4 other close mates were out the other night and one of em says to me "you know man if we put all our money that we've wasted together we could be renting a sick house in vaucluse or something and party everynight and have b*tches everywhere " Geez that would be good only its waaay too late for me LOL Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by vlberlina dude if u wanna run 10s just keep the compression low and run high boost. simple. build a though bottom end and wind up the boost you'll be fine. n/a and turbo block are the same. just use different pistions so turbo have lower compression. turbo oil pumps also flow better. u can always convert it to turbo. if u wanna get serious with it build a new bottom end and then go crazy with the bolt ons. Mate thanks alot thats actually a great idea. Theres no point in converting the n/a calais to turbo just like that, as someone said I would be living on a time bomb just waiting for things to break. Like you said its a good idea to get the bottom end done first then the go fast goodies. So when you say get the bottom end done first what would I need to buy for the n/a vlct to bring it up to calais turbo specs or enough for it to handle fair amount of power and how much would I be looking at. Also what would be diffrence in price for 2nd hand and brand new for those items listed. And one final silly question but I'm new to vl's so I'm gona ask. For the items you list eg. injectors or pistons do I have to wait till the cars turboed to fit them or do they just bolt on like that without a hassle since they are the same engine.....

EAT-30T, i was aware had receipts seen it in the workshop everything, was bought off the forums, i got done big time man 20k down the drain litterally in 500km . I no i try to say be sensible and save for a house this time. But calais are addictive man haha Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by 750hp EAT-30T, i was aware had receipts seen it in the workshop everything, was bought off the forums, i got done big time man 20k down the drain litterally in 500km . I no i try to say be sensible and save for a house this time. But calais are addictive man haha If you don't mind me askin how exactly did you lose $20K? Lunch a motor? box diff???? Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

everything i spent. Car plus parts/labour came to 20k and the motor was already forged had all internals done. Car was finally ready got a safe tune to run it in, driving home from work thios big metal grinding sound. Just made it home. got it towed to mechanics, with the phone call "Mate the rods have come of scored the crank, pistons were hitting the head. Sorry your engine is *****ed

Quote: Originally Posted by 750hp everything i spent. Car plus parts/labour came to 20k and the motor was already forged had all internals done. Car was finally ready got a safe tune to run it in, driving home from work thios big metal grinding sound. Just made it home. got it towed to mechanics, with the phone call "Mate the rods have come of scored the crank, pistons were hitting the head. Sorry your engine is *****ed Well that explains things......anyways enough of our thread jacking Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

lol haha no worries

Quote: Originally Posted by y-b-jls-4 Mate thanks alot thats actually a great idea. Theres no point in converting the n/a calais to turbo just like that, as someone said I would be living on a time bomb just waiting for things to break. Like you said its a good idea to get the bottom end done first then the go fast goodies. So when you say get the bottom end done first what would I need to buy for the n/a vlct to bring it up to calais turbo specs or enough for it to handle fair amount of power and how much would I be looking at. Also what would be diffrence in price for 2nd hand and brand new for those items listed. And one final silly question but I'm new to vl's so I'm gona ask. For the items you list eg. injectors or pistons do I have to wait till the cars turboed to fit them or do they just bolt on like that without a hassle since they are the same engine..... what i meant to say is just slap on the turbo gear onto your n/a motor. see how you go. if you plan to go serious later on down the track then build a bottom end to suit. just do all the bolt on for now if u just want a turbo hangin off the side.

Quote: Originally Posted by twinvl Buying a built car can be risky, cos u have to trust that what u are told is true. I couldn't agree with that anymore. Dishonest ****s deserve to die

Yeah well my mate bought a car from overeast, its a burgandy kinda and silver calais turbo, 10s car. Straight away he has been having major problems, throttle cable then the turbo went, injectors.. now he is swapping to EMS. 22k car + $6k he is spent fixing it to how it should normally have run when he bought it. Fark that im young and know a little bit so I ripped the motor out and got the important bits done by pros (machine work) and did the strip down and assembly myself. Cut the engine building cost by half and got to make sure its all together nicely. As someone said- Labour is the killer.

i agree with both sides to a degree! and im not saying a 10 second car here but anyone can buy a car then say they done it all in magazines and crap!............. i would rather build my own i do all my own engine work ect, ive saved $9,000 on a paint job as im a painter by trade ect. But at the end of the day if you spend $$$$$ buying or building a car whats it matter in the end.. its all money!!!!! i do it cos i love it ... we all come to this site cos we are car freaks.... and there wouldent be many people here who hate spending money on there cars! and if there were they would have brought a datsun 180B and taken up a low impact sport like ping pong my 30 cents

Quote: Originally Posted by PRO STREETER save your money and buy it already built! too much of a head root to build it yourself ^^^^AGRREEED 1000Percent!!!!!!!^^^^^^^^^

What do you think I did! Build the equivalent and add up the reciepts! Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Will >>> 550cc injectors, vl turbo manual ecu, bosch 600hp fuel pump,and vl turbo pistons fit on to a n/a vl and if so will there be an increase in power even if its minimum. These are the mods I'm thinking of getting before I go ahead with the conversion.

Here's something else to think about. i have changed every single 'turbo' part of my car. So it would have worked out heaps cheaper for me to have started with a na. but not as much fun!

ive just started my build trust me man buy a car allready done if you wanto save money..... Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Didn't the Rajabs build a 9 sec VL years ago using a NA bottom end . The red 1 with the silver bumpers & convo pro front runners . Same as Ben Visconte with his Halequin Calais , when I first read about that car , I remember it at first having an NA bottom end too . A mate of mine from this Forum made 305 hp at the wheels with has NA convert . Sure it had computer , injectors etc done , just goes to show though that it can be done , drove like that for 2 years & in that time it blew 1 head gasket . Big Deal . In my opinion it comes down to the condition of the motor when it's converted & the TUNING . Im not saying to expect miracle dyno sheets or time slips , but if you're sensible with it , it can be reliable . As far as the oil pump issue is concerned , has anyone ever wondered why their catch can is always filling up . The bigger oil pumps pump the sump dry , & the drain backs in the head are very small . I know a well known engine builder in Sydney who swears by NA oil pumps .