Yes its hard to find ppl who relaly know how to build a straight gas car. Without gasman around I wouldnt bother. Once he is back he will bring out some very quick LPG cars.
But LPG is the best. May car never skips a beat. I wouldnt look back esspecially when i pay like 0.45cents a liter :P
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Originally Posted by WeLLsY
I'd spent just over 7k on parts alone and its still not right.
is that just on gas related parts or is that a total of everything, because my gas setup owes me $1050 and it consits of two b2 converters, two 22l/p/h lock offs, APA 80L tank and a 440cfm throttle body.
From experience working for GRA i would say straight gas is definately the way to go. all the points mentioned before are all good points and i cant be bothered mentioning them again. but yeah a GRA kit is the way to go. but there is a gas injection setup in the pipe lines.
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Originally Posted by busted
is that just on gas related parts or is that a total of everything, because my gas setup owes me $1050 and it consits of two b2 converters, two 22l/p/h lock offs, APA 80L tank and a 440cfm throttle body.
id say you're right, my setup on the 308 was same as yours but with dual throttle bodies and was only $1600
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Originally Posted by VLHOOD
might have to drive to melbourne on petrol and see gasman; stay there a few days then drive back on gas...
Hmmm
it takes about 2 weeks just to order the parts, i rang them last week
wellsy if you really do know all about gas (lpg) why doesn't your car make the power you were braging it would make?
straight answer please...
an msd doesnt solve all your problems either does a crane fireball sys.
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Originally Posted by Sinister
if it backfires it can rip your intake or filter box apart, no biggie
for the nissan you'd only need one mixer (ie one throttle body)
gas just evens out with price, if you had a good petrol combo you will need:
fuel pump (or pumpS) regulator, injectors, throttlebody, ecu (most likely aftermarket) and tune... This is very expensive stuff, and dont forget when its all done that its still going to cost $1.30+ a litre for premium.
gas youll need 2 converters, throttle body, gas tank and lines all installed, and a tune, these few bits arent cheap either, but when its all done, 45cents a litre.
sinister... the problems that you have listed when the car backfires are small, adding to that the worest possible outcome of a bad backfire is cracking the plenum.. saying this i have never heard of anyone having that problem but it is possible..
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Originally Posted by VLMuzza
Yes its hard to find ppl who relaly know how to build a straight gas car. Without gasman around I wouldnt bother. Once he is back he will bring out some very quick LPG cars.
But LPG is the best. May car never skips a beat. I wouldnt look back esspecially when i pay like 0.45cents a liter :P
No doubt about it gasman is the best.. but there are still acouple of people (2).. that know how to build and tune a gas weapon! you and i both know who theres people are hint hint.. not alan
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Every couple of months this topic comes up hey. Its also covered on straightgas.com. All of us who have anything to do with gas mention the same points over and over again. Im not going to do this however cause really there is no point for a couple of reasons. Firstly no one wants to admit they are wrong or that someone knows more or has got there set up running better. Secondly thats what the search tool is used for.
Anyway as far as backfiring is concerned it is such a simple problem im not going to mention the sollution. The only thing ill say is if your gas application does it and your workshop or mechanic can't work it out why your in trouble. Also ive seen inlet manifolds split the entire length of the plenum due to backfiring.
Oh and of course the most sensitive topic going around at the moment of who is the man to tune my gas application? This year they will definatly be tested and we will really find the best tuner for gas for sure. Not based on opinion but by statistics and fact. As sheets of paper with facts on them eg timeslips speak louder then words/typing. Thats why I limit what I say. On that note my car has now been completed, I will race it in the next few weeks in the same tune as I run on the street but with transbrake turned on and MTs on the back.
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Originally Posted by alotofpsi
Every couple of months this topic comes up hey. Its also covered on straightgas.com. All of us who have anything to do with gas mention the same points over and over again. Im not going to do this however cause really there is no point for a couple of reasons. Firstly no one wants to admit they are wrong or that someone knows more or has got there set up running better. Secondly thats what the search tool is used for.
Anyway as far as backfiring is concerned it is such a simple problem im not going to mention the sollution. The only thing ill say is if your gas application does it and your workshop or mechanic can't work it out why your in trouble. Also ive seen inlet manifolds split the entire length of the plenum due to backfiring.
Oh and of course the most sensitive topic going around at the moment of who is the man to tune my gas application? This year they will definatly be tested and we will really find the best tuner for gas for sure. Not based on opinion but by statistics and fact. As sheets of paper with facts on them eg timeslips speak louder then words/typing. Thats why I limit what I say. On that note my car has now been completed, I will race it in the next few weeks in the same tune as I run on the street but with transbrake turned on and MTs on the back.
very true in what you have said.. i am also sick and tied of people talking crap, looking forward to see how you go on the track. my car will also be a straight lpg VL and have the intention of being a serious compititor on street and strip.
within a month my car will finally be tuned now that ive sorted the mad vibration i had in the car too (****ed tailshaft) with the new plenum fitted i hope to push the highflow as far as it can go.... wonder how long it will last at 18psi+
Im retaining the stock ignition computer with an msd 6AL style computer and beefier coil to boost spark. Dont want a repeat of something like the night jason's xe (silver ghetto one) had alternator issues, back fired, blew the cooler pipe off and smashed the headlight leaving it all over the start line at calder!
I will also be experimenting with water injection too anyone on gas should definately look into it because sadly with gas, unlike petrol, LPG is already in its gaseous state when its introduced into the engine, so it cant take any temp out of the intake air... also, running richer on gas, unlike petrol, leads to higher engine temps and burnt exhaust valves I have done a fair bit of testing with gas systems over the last few years, and hope to have this setup nailed within the next month or two.
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Originally Posted by suxgas
No doubt about it gasman is the best.. but there are still acouple of people (2).. that know how to build and tune a gas weapon! you and i both know who theres people are hint hint.. not alan
and who mite that be?
Some original photos have not been recovered yet.
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Originally Posted by suxgas
my car will also be a straight lpg VL and have the intention of being a serious compititor on street and strip.
haha
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Originally Posted by alotofpsi
Every couple of months this topic comes up hey. Its also covered on straightgas.com. All of us who have anything to do with gas mention the same points over and over again. Im not going to do this however cause really there is no point for a couple of reasons. Firstly no one wants to admit they are wrong or that someone knows more or has got there set up running better. Secondly thats what the search tool is used for.
Anyway as far as backfiring is concerned it is such a simple problem im not going to mention the sollution. The only thing ill say is if your gas application does it and your workshop or mechanic can't work it out why your in trouble. Also ive seen inlet manifolds split the entire length of the plenum due to backfiring.
Oh and of course the most sensitive topic going around at the moment of who is the man to tune my gas application? This year they will definatly be tested and we will really find the best tuner for gas for sure. Not based on opinion but by statistics and fact. As sheets of paper with facts on them eg timeslips speak louder then words/typing. Thats why I limit what I say. On that note my car has now been completed, I will race it in the next few weeks in the same tune as I run on the street but with transbrake turned on and MTs on the back.
agreed
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Originally Posted by WooD
haha
what do u find funny wood??
you shouldn't be laughing.. how many times have i HELPD u by working on your car while you've been out an about?? put my car on hold so yours can be on the road, or have you forgotten this?? selective memory??
wrong person to get smart to, show alil respect!
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Originally Posted by suxgas
what do u find funny wood??
you shouldn't be laughing.. how many times have i HELPD u by working on your car while you've been out an about?? put my car on hold so yours can be on the road, or have you forgotten this?? selective memory??
wrong person to get smart to, show alil respect!
you make me laugh, no **** you were working on my car so you could get yours done you idiot. wrong person to get smart to? who the **** do you think you are? so chris, does that KEAS t-shirt you wear help you become a mechanic? also i thought ben only had a missus not a boyfriend too. hey next time i come around can you make me a greek latte too haha.
hey so what was this all about you coming on here and **** stirring? trying to do what john ezy10 did? atleast he didnt get found out in 1 day you lost ****. look, you know my number if you want to settle it give me a call.
ps. the red and the pink thing will chop you senseless.
see you at easternats bitch.
