^^^^ i 2nd that

3rd that for once i agree wiv u silvawags

Quote: Originally Posted by Sinister so just coz your mates one fell apart @ 200 they all do??? genius conclusion.. it does actually. You would be lucky to get that many km's out of them they were a test vehicle for the vp. If you have to buy it make sure it is a sII engine (1991) they were an upgrade and a slightly better motor. Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

most people think there crap cause people just dont look after them. chang the oil everything 10k dont flogg the crap out of them everthing seccond of the day (not as good as the rb series motors) and just keep them maintained and they will live forever.....ps down here we have a vp with gunwine 45k on the clock.....bastad wont sell....ohhhhh and my parents vr got sold with 288,882 km's still going strong no smoke still powerfull

I loved my old VN 6 banger manual, its now my brothers and still going strong even with 300,000k's on her, just comes down to how its been looked after.

yeh they got torque id look for a pimped out calais if u can find one

Quote: Originally Posted by SilvaWags i 2nd that. the vn motor is a groaning piece of crap. i cringe everytime i hear a old flogged VN v6 auto with a huge exhaust. The RB30 is better in so many ways. Ofcourse the VN V6 has more power because it has 0.8lts more capacity. The usual way of thinking from holden........"Umm.. we need more power what can we do? hmmmm I know lets just make the engine bigger!" Holden will never make engines which would match makers such as Honda and Nissan. Holden Never made the engine.. Its a GM's engine.. so its not like they "made" it that big.. 2nd.. my dad had a vn exec station wagan 5spd from brand new.. always serviced it and cleaned it twice a week.. it looked great and still had plently of power with 1800,000 on the clock, had alot of low down power. and as for honda and nissan i'd go a vn any day over that beetle sounding 4cyl anyday..

I dunno, I'd probably buy a VN over a Honda just cause I hate Honda's and generally 4 cylinders with a passion. But I also hate VNs sooo much. the SS's are alright, but I hate the ****ty exec V6s with the death rattle going around being driven by 16 year old who thinks he is mark skaife with his headlights on lining up every VLT and skyline on the road. Yes true they are the GM Buick motor, but they are still ****house. In most cases a VL will sell for more than a VN, and for not much extra you could probably get something newer anyway if thats what you want like a VR/VS. Leave VN's for the bogans or fishermen who miss their boats during the week :P Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Oh and i forgot to mention it was good at sea too we did plenty of around the world trips. Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

lol.. Sinisteri agree with ya there bu yeh dont like the pieces of ****.. mates owned a couple (note plural) and yeh nothing special.. rb30e's are a little better but yeh not that much.. ATMOBT1 i was referring to the autos.. i havent heard much about the manual boxes.. CONCLUSION.. Do what YOU want dude.. id go 5 speed vl.. but thats me!

Yer go a VL might be couple years older but will last longer...VN`s SUcK!!! My mates bro has got a VL that just about to click over 550,000k`s sure its had its fair share of probs, but its still goin hard.....

What buy a VL over a VN? bAAAhahahahahahahahahahaha WHAT a VL more reliable then a VN....God God I owned a VLT for 2 years what a f*cken night mare, owned my VR for the last 12 months, I will never never go back.

haha we are talking atmo heaps of **** dude.. VR motors are ok but id say when it comes to boost.. rb30's are stronger.. and yeh every car has their fair share of problems anyway.. obviously yeh youve had a fair few little problems with yours VLTRB30

Yep...finally a stress free car year, have never been so happy. BTW most people that I know with VL�s have had headaches with them, mostly wiring problems. Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

ive had 5 vl's and **** load of trouble with a few of them but ill never own anything else especialy a vn junk box. No vn is worth more than 1k dont waist ya money on them

Hi there yes i might be female but i am familiar with cars i have lived for them. any ways I think paying 4g for a vn in that kind of condition is a bit too much. maybe if the motor was worked heaps or something like that. Any way just my 2 cents. Latisha

Quote: the engines r pretty shiot mate. if uve ever heard or driven one dunno if anyone else picked this up but thats just utter bs right there. not just saying it because i own a VN, but the good ol buick can take a mega beating, i have an uncle who used to own a vn and treat it like ****, didnt even get any services done to it, never changed his radiator fluids or anything, still ran like a charm. And as for how the sound...well, at least you can tell its a 3.8 ltr when you hear it, stick a lukey exhaust with extractors on it and it will be the best sound you ever hear edit : dont forget about v6 vengeance, and the many boosted vn's around. If people can be bothered to put money and effort into the Vn's they are easily a low 11sec car. although, if your like me and cant be stuffed, then vn is NOT the way to go, just get a VLT Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by Latisha Hi there yes i might be female but i am familiar with cars i have lived for them. any ways I think paying 4g for a vn in that kind of condition is a bit too much. maybe if the motor was worked heaps or something like that. Any way just my 2 cents. Latisha PIcs?

haha Blink.. i doubt shed offer em to you.. you have to try the more subtle approach..

Quote: Originally Posted by venomous dunno if anyone else picked this up but thats just utter bs right there. not just saying it because i own a VN, but the good ol buick can take a mega beating, i have an uncle who used to own a vn and treat it like ****, didnt even get any services done to it, never changed his radiator fluids or anything, still ran like a charm. And as for how the sound...well, at least you can tell its a 3.8 ltr when you hear it, stick a lukey exhaust with extractors on it and it will be the best sound you ever hear edit : dont forget about v6 vengeance, and the many boosted vn's around. If people can be bothered to put money and effort into the Vn's they are easily a low 11sec car. although, if your like me and cant be stuffed, then vn is NOT the way to go, just get a VLT i dont usually tell people straight out that they are wrong, as i dont like leaving myself in the open....but you my friend are wrong there lol Some original photos have not been recovered yet.