pretty soon this dicsussion may be won or lost. went out the other day and finally got a Car. N/A auto, calais wagon.....all original, totally stock for just over 6k ill run the VH in the comming weeks and see what happens :twisted:

I totaly agree with oldgold, but its pretty pointless argueing against VL's on VL based forum (u know how ppl get abt their cars....)

Quote: Originally Posted by my88vl From what i have heard, the Ford V6's are an american design, but then i may have been fed a bull**** story. I'm not saying that the 253s weren't tough when worked, but in standard form, and in something like a VH with the wind resistance of a cardboard box, they were pretty bloody slow. yeah well fair nuf im just sick of people goin on bout how good nissan engines are next to holden blah blah yeah they're from a different country with a trillion people where they can afford to redesign engines every few years - australia - a small market - has to stick with old designs to be financially viable. Ford's don't have V6s in them! They're still inline sixes which would lead me to believe its still the aussie one. Yeah the V6 they intend using in the future (and the V8 they have now) are yankee iron tho. yeah VLs are good for 15 year old cars but I'd still have a VX anyday over one Quote: Originally Posted by Fresh VL old gold ur as smart as my shoes Can't argue with that! Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

253....hahahahahahahh cough, hahahahha

oi, i would much prefer to do up a 253 than a 308. because they rev a whole ****n lot harder than the 5.0. But if you spent the same money on most, of course the 5.0 would kill the 4.2

Quote: Originally Posted by stoney i saw a HQ ute with a 253 get OWNED by an excel... haha what a crack up

I think it comes down to the tuning,injector condition,kilometers,etc when it comes to how smooth the VL motors are,they are a bloody smooth motor when they are in good nick,I have been in 270,000 km VL I couldn't hear run at idle. THe VX is also a smooth engine but would be equal in smoothness to the VL,our VX does get a bit rough when idling for a while in hot weather,my VL motor is pretty smooth,for a 430,000 km motor anyway,it is smoother than a VN,even a VT series 1 I went into wasn't as smooth as the VL,the VX is much more refined than the first of the ECOTECs which also used to flog out main bearings due to poor balancing of the harmonic balancer. Its true to this day that the Nissan motor was the best engine ever fitted to a Holden,but it isn't true that they were manufactured in Australia,they were going to build them in Australia when they planned to use it in the VN & VP Commodores,but when it started costing Holden money to fit the RB30 into the VL,they quickly ditched that motor and the VN was rough & readily assembled with the VN motor,they didn't hav enough time to improve it. Unfortunately it is a fact the V6 isn't built to as tighter tolerances,just have to look at their specs (i.e. connecting rod bearing clearance for the RB30 is 0.005 - 0.017mm,the clearance for the v6 is 0.008-0.071mm) The idea of building the RB30 here was canned,also ask anyone in the know about the AVIS car hire in AUstralia,a neighbour who used to live near us is a panel beater by trade,he also did the repairs to the AVIS cars as well said the VL's were used and that company was so impressed by the reliability of the engine that they went to the Nissan Skyline when they stopped making the VL Commodore. These days however,they started using the AU Falcons because they were cheaper,they also used the VX COmmodore,out of their fleet nearly all of the Falcons were forever in the workshop getting fixed,they only had "1" alternator problem with a VX out of the whole fleet,so they got rid of the Falcons and went to Holden,says something for Fords quality control.

.........soo the vl is quicker?? haha :P

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hey I never said RB30s are **** I never said Holden outsourcing motors was bad BUSINESS practice either i dont think ecotecs are the best thing ever, but they're not the bag of **** evryone thinks they are