all my VLs except my turbo ones were noisy.......the turbo ones dont seem to suffer the same I dont think? what are yours like Mike? from memory they wernt noisy either

Quote: Originally Posted by NZ_BT1 [View Post] all my VLs except my turbo ones were noisy.......the turbo ones dont seem to suffer the same I dont think? what are yours like Mike? from memory they wernt noisy either Nah mine are sweet aye no noise at all But IMO those oil additives are just masking the problem plus lets not forget how old these engines are some parts do wear Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

moreys upper cylinder lubricant is good,i havenever hd a problem with any of my vls,some times it taps 2 or 3 times if it hasnt started for a while

My first Calais had noisy lifters, The Royale is quiet, even when cold. The 2.0 engine is less prone to this problem as the head is lower and doesnt seem to run as hot, thereby eliminating the burn off of the additives in the oil which causes sludge build up, leading to oil starvation in the top end. The service intervals specified by Holden were WAY too infrequent, they suggest 10,000km which in city or combined cycle use, with the high viscosity (and low quality) oils specified is madness, they should be serviced every 5000km (7500km at the very most) if they are to stay quiet. Low oil pressure and noisy lifters are the legacy of this poor decision making on GM-H's part. Stopping the noise depends on your budget, Removing the lifters and cleaning them does work, but theres always the odd one or two that wont keep quiet. Commonly when the lifters are at the point of rattling, the rockers and shafts will be excessively worn as well (oil starvation problem as mentioned above). Replacing the lifters is really only a temporary fix as there will still be deposits in the oil galleries of the cylinder head and lifter blocks, as well as rocker shaft wear. In order to repair it properly will require removal and dismantling of the cylinder head, oil galleries cleaned out, new lifters, rocker shafts, and rockers. Drive in - drive out cost I believe will be somewhere around $1500 - $2500, as well as the very high chance the workshop wont carry out the proper bleeding procedure, leading to cooling system problems.

that sounds like you need alot of money just too fix something that makes an annoying ticking sound ! dont know what to do at the moment , im looking at the addictives as the cheaper alternative as $1500 - $2500 is a bit out of my budget when you can always buy another engine for that price ?! Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: buy another engine for that price that will have exactly the same issues as the one thats in it. they are 22+ years old now and most have done more than 200,000km by now, add to that to NZ's apathy when It comes to servicing cars...........

Quote: Originally Posted by calais3L [View Post] The 2.0 engine is less prone to this problem RB20 FTW, end of discussion Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by calais3L [View Post] that will have exactly the same issues as the one thats in it. they are 22+ years old now and most have done more than 200,000km by now, add to that to NZ's apathy when It comes to servicing cars........... you got a point , maybe a starfire engine would do those things must go hard LOL might look for a good addictive tomorrow any particular brands i should keep my eye out for ??? and where to find them too hahha Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Dan have you been in or driven a RB30ET ??

Quote: Originally Posted by SIKVLT [View Post] Dan have you been in or driven a RB30ET ?? Ummmmmmmm, there was that one time? No that was a dream lol

Quote: Originally Posted by VL-Dan [View Post] Ummmmmmmm, there was that one time? No that was a dream lol wet dream I bet Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by NZ_BT1 [View Post] wet dream I bet I aint saying nothing Fool lol Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

haha you could of come for a ride if you were at powercruise,mbye this year. i said before,moreys upper cylindar lubricant

Quote: Originally Posted by calais3L [View Post] that will have exactly the same issues as the one thats in it. they are 22+ years old now and most have done more than 200,000km by now, add to that to NZ's apathy when It comes to servicing cars........... Gets me thinking, what are the RB engines (since the VL RB30) like in terms of noisy lifters, are they any better? or will they be just as noisy once they are 20+ years old? (I dont know, I don't really hang around skylines ) Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

proma is really good too ---------- Post added 27-05-10 at 21:03 ---------- Quote: Originally Posted by madrx3boy [View Post] Gets me thinking, what are the RB engines (since the VL RB30) like in terms of noisy lifters, are they any better? or will they be just as noisy once they are 20+ years old? (I dont know, I don't really hang around skylines ) i dont think so theyve come along way since the rb30 Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by 0C1876 [View Post] you got a point , maybe a starfire engine would do those things must go hard LOL might look for a good addictive tomorrow any particular brands i should keep my eye out for ??? and where to find them too hahha Benson & Hedges or Lucky strikes haha had to say it Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by SIKVLT [View Post] Ok so my 140rwkw does that sound right ? I thought I'd lose more than 10Kw through the drive line you loose about 60 to 70 kw from the flywheel to the diff

^^^doubt its that much,probly more like 25-30kw depending on auto or manual

Quote: Originally Posted by UNONT2 [View Post] ^^^doubt its that much,probly more like 25-30kw depending on auto or manual yeah from what ive heard you lose quite alot out of an auto compared to a manuel.i thought it was something like 15% loss

Quote: Originally Posted by UNONT2 [View Post] haha you could of come for a ride if you were at powercruise,mbye this year. i said before,moreys upper cylindar lubricant That was fun the only thing that worried me about your car was the standard brakes LOL Some original photos have not been recovered yet.