people will say i herd this i herd that i saw this i saw that ,,, ect ect at the end of the day it has happnd you cant turn back time wats done is done . yes it was driver error , if he was in a hyundai or a ss makes no diffrence he was speeding .... i feel for the familys . no one wanted this to happn no one plannd it , it just happnd and nothing can be done . i think this thread should be closed b4 it gets out of control and people start making up stories and hurting the deceased's family and freinds even more

Quote: Originally Posted by 355boost This is on the Victorian Governments head plain and simple! ANDRA has been fighting for a purpose built facility in Melbourne. Red tape and political bull**** are to blame for the youth of Victoria taking it to the street. These kids have lost their lives for no reason other than the driver was trying to show pony on the street that is fact there is no reason to have been doing those speeds. My thoughts and prayers to all involved but how many people need to die before things change...? As sad as this all is, and my condolenses go to the families of those involved, you're just shifting the blame. There are thousands of people across Victoria, with cars much much more powerful than this,who dont go out and kill themselves, with or without a racetrack or venue. It's no good shifting the blame to the government, what do you want, a cotton wool state? Their response will be an even harsher clampdown on the vehicles that can be driven, and how they can be driven. Driving a car fast and hard isnt a right, it's a privelage. One that should be kept for when you can find yourself the means to get to the proper location, not for when you think "That damn government not providing the venue, i know, i'll do it here, this looks safe enough" It comes down to the drivers skill level. Him thinking he had more than he actually did, to be travelling at those speeds. Also, that article posted by OMIZVL is quite disjointed, have parts been cut out of it?

Taken from another forum.. Read pages 1-5 on page 5 you will understand http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60...ts-m-mode.html (http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60-m5-e61-m5-touring-discussion/111454-rough-shifts-m-mode.html)

makes u realise ur driving a death machine

Quote: Originally Posted by Dimebag As sad as this all is, and my condolenses go to the families of those involved, you're just shifting the blame. There are thousands of people across Victoria, with cars much much more powerful than this,who dont go out and kill themselves, with or without a racetrack or venue. It's no good shifting the blame to the government, what do you want, a cotton wool state? Their response will be an even harsher clampdown on the vehicles that can be driven, and how they can be driven. Driving a car fast and hard isnt a right, it's a privelage. One that should be kept for when you can find yourself the means to get to the proper location, not for when you think "That damn government not providing the venue, i know, i'll do it here, this looks safe enough" It comes down to the drivers skill level. Him thinking he had more than he actually did, to be travelling at those speeds. Also, that article posted by OMIZVL is quite disjointed, have parts been cut out of it? i got it straight from www.heraldsun.com.au (http://www.heraldsun.com.au)

there is a lot of chat about this on every forum ive been on a terrible event that has created a lot of attention hopefully it will stop other familys having to go thru wat these familys are now experiencing

I was just told tonight that aparantly one of the drivers friends was caught doing similarly excessive speed since the incident. I too have heard about the driver, via people that knew him. After having seen first hand via SES rescue, as well as living in a high crash risk area, having been trained to drive to survive both in school and by many old truckers, there really is no excuse. That part of the road is straight and smooth enough not to unsettle the car. im just glad there werent any other vehicles involved.

The racetrack comment is pointless, because AFAIK he wasn't even a car enthusiast that would visit a track, let alone drive on one?

Agreed, people need to use their head. If the feel the need to drive fast, and don't have a racetrack, you simply don't drive fast. Or you wait, and you make a day or holiday out of it, you guys down south have it pretty easy with tracks, there's talk of no tracks here and there. But in reality you have a hell of a lot more then other parts of Australia that aren't as lucky on that front. I know that if I want to go to a strip, I have to drive about 4-5 hours return trip. Which is why it isn't worth it for me. And if I want to go to an actual track I have to drive a hell of a lot more. It's time to grow up and stop making excuses for breaking the law.

I heard on the news before some more rubbish by politicians to appear as though they're doing something. One suggested crushing cars again and also speed limiting hoon offenders. Wouldn't have done anything in this situation.

what the government fail to realise is impounding cars, crushing cars, increasing fine amounts is not going to do anything crashes like this would be spur of the moment decisions by the driver, as has already been said kids need to be educated from a young age about road safety

Lot of talk about this atm of course,plenty of media. Instead of the words crush impound etc. Why don't they try convey the 'No'. As in don't get in the car with someone whom you know will drive in a stupid manner. Crushing cars wont stop anyone getting another.

I'm sorry but wtf was a 15 y/o girl doing out at that time of night anyway?

Stupid and pointless comment ^^

his good at them a girl at work was going on about this today i asked her if the driver was a crack head she went NA NA NA lol she is a crack head her self

Quote: Originally Posted by aus880 I'm sorry but wtf was a 15 y/o girl doing out at that time of night anyway? what did we do when we were 15 ? anyway,irrelevant

the idiot driver was drunk .19 no excuses

http://www.news.com.au/national/mill...-1225821522831 (http://www.news.com.au/national/mill-park-horror-crash-driver-four-times-over-limit/story-e6frfkvr-1225821522831) Quote: Originally Posted by HERALD SUN THE young driver who killed himself and four others in a horror smash in northern Melbourne was nearly four times over the legal drinking limit for a fully-licensed driver. A toxicology test into 19-year-old Steven Johnstone has shown his blood alcohol level was 0.19, Victoria's deputy commissioner of road policing Ken Lay said, the Daily Telegraph reports. As a P-plater, Mr Johnstone should not have had any alcohol in his system at all. The state's legal limit for a fully-licensed driver is 0.05. Mr Johnstone's 2007 Ford Falcon XR6 smashed into a tree in Mill Park on Sunday morning at 140km/h. Five people, including Mr Johnstone, died. One teenage girl, 15-year-old Elissa Iannetta, survived. Mr Lay said it was a desperately sad situation. "This is about a particular group of drivers that simply do not play by the rules."... So now what does everyone think? Still feel sorry for the passengers and parents but - Unregistered, Speeding, Overcroweded, Passenger restrictions, Multiple Speeding Fines, and OVER 4 TIMES FOR A FULL DRIVER PASSENGER.... Seriously - now discuss Quote: Originally Posted by aus880 the idiot driver was drunk .19 no excuses majority of the time i dont see eye to eye with u but this time yep - thrash me all you want - guy deserves what he got no sympathy towards someone so stupid and ignorant to ppls lives

Agreed with muffin tits. Driver deserves everything he got, just a shame he took others out with him.

So lucky there wasnt any other cars around!