when i had my walls done, 1mm if that was taken out... as jack and louie have said its not very likely and people have been walling tyres for years so it is very unlikely but as they say there's always a one in a million chance.... you just happened to be that one

hmmmm i think i am missing something.. how can the tyre blowout on the inside be a result of the whitewalls when the whitewall sits on the other side of tyre???

when i have mine done i only had lettering taken off, i told paul if he was to dig any sort of groove into the tyre then i did not want them done, mine had done fine. Does the lettering on the tyre effect the durability of the tyre?? and in regards to law, if u just get them painted and not have any tyre buffed off is that still deemed illegal??

Quote: Originally Posted by PNP hmmmm i think i am missing something.. how can the tyre blowout on the inside be a result of the whitewalls when the whitewall sits on the other side of tyre??? It says it was done and then the tyre was put on a different wheel so the other side could be done. Quote: Originally Posted by Raptor Edit, I realize these are on the inside of the rim, walls were painted once before on that side and were rotated to get a different color on.

Blow outs?? In all they cars with IRS or live axle I have never had a blow out touch wood unless it was specifically caused by my heavy right foot.

Quote: Originally Posted by Walky Does the lettering on the tyre effect the durability of the tyre?? No, but the instant you remove any of the following: Tyre size, speed rating, max psi info etc, you have caused the tyre NOT to comply with ADR's and youve earned a canary. The ADR plainly states that passenger car tyres MUST display the above to be considered compliant with the intent of the rule. As an aside, for the people who like their tyres with a bit of bag, MT radials are NOT legal for the road in this country, DOT APPROVED merely means that they are considered fit for U.S. roads. Wanna know why they dont comply here? Yep, that pesky tyre info they dont have, the same info blokes are so keen to grind off legal tyres so they can have a painted stripe... Quote: and in regards to law, if u just get them painted and not have any tyre buffed off is that still deemed illegal?? Dont see a problem with that at all. To all the people wondering if the (grooved) whitewall caused the blowout or not, you can look forward to arguing the point with the insurance company, then the police, then a member of the bench if you crash your car and seriously hurt someone. I know exactly what will happen 5 seconds after someone looks at your car and sees damaged tyre sidewalls, and unless your "mate" who sells the tyre can provide some certification that there was "no structual compromise" to the tyre you bought, you better bring a toothbrush with you to court whether the tyre's painting caused the accident or not. Unless you can get a piece of paper stating "continued adr compliance" for the tyres then you are the one taking the risk, just like you do with every other non legal component on your car.

i might look into it, if i just paint them ill c if they have any issues

im not defending white/coloured walls here, i think they all look shit! but that blowout in those pics could of happened to any tyre. tyres blowout like that when they are driven on with not enough pressure, heats the sidewalls then bang! walling the tyres would DEFINATELY increase the chances of that happening.

what was the: size make and model load rating of the tire? also the size (width) of the rim

haha must have bufferd a fair bit of the tyre away when they done the white wall because you do not need to take much away just enought of the lettering etc

the issue isn't just roadworthyness it's about whether aftermarket whitewalls might greatly increase the chance of tyre failure. re having a negative effect on your mates business etc etc we aren't naming specific businesses so no issue re defamation/slander we are simply discussing the legality and also the safety of whitewalls, a pretty important thing i think we'd all agree post your stuff up when you get it, we want to hear from both sides

I seriously doubt it. How many cars have whitewalls nowdays? and this is the only person claiming that they've had a blow-out? Come on, it's quite clearly camber related. Having the whitewalls might not have helped, but he's going on like they're solely to blame which is what I was trying to get at. I am interested as to where he got his walls done though. Mate if you read this could you please PM me the name of the business? As I know there's a few dodgy places around that aren't following proper procedure.

I sent off a few emails the other day - Only two have replied so far, but this one from Continental sums things up nicely. Quote: Whilst I am very familiar with the decorative example you are referring too... You are absolutely correct when you suggested that you would not expect me to "condone or approve"such a radical attempt to bring color to a tyre....! Any alteration to a tyre after it's left its plant of manufacturer, be it 'buffed, scraped, ground etc. will be viewed by the Major Tyre Manufacturers as a product that is immediately null and void of any future warranty issues, arising through service or manufacturing warranty conditions, insurance claims, directly or indirectly, Basically ,the tyre will be viewed by the Manufacturer as a scrap tyre...! Chris tyres are built to many specific requirements and tolerances to meet the demands of the vehicle manufacturers, which includes 'Safety, Comfort, Low rolling resistance, tread life, uniformity' just to name a few. All of these demands whilst, to you and I are common sense, they are certainly then compromised should such decorative preparation to the tyres sidewall be carried out. Should you have ever had the opportunity to view a "cut away cross section" of a passenger or RV/SUV tyre, you will have noticed that the sidewall (where you are inquiring about) can be only millimeters thick... yes it most certainly is strengthened by upto 3 layers of polyester, rayon, nylon cords etc. However, given that minimal thickness, the potential to expose those cords if "buffing or grinding" has been carried out as suggested, could cause those cords to be cut, torn or ripped by any foreign matter during the tyres service, this has immediate ramifications... Firstly the tyres structure and integrity is weakened by the torn cords, therefore sidewall lumps appear, followed by a more protruding bubble/s, it will only be a matter of a very short time that the pressure and heat built up in that area will cause the inevitable 'tyre to blow out' and depending on the speed of the vehicle and road conditions at the time will determine how safely that vehicle pulls up. They're have been many attempts to "Jazz up" the sidewall of the "humble tyre" after it's manufacture, from waterproof paints, to white wall flaps > Unfortunately the only way to successfully add color to an otherwise "round black and boring tyre' is to have it extruded into the manufacturing process. I.e The infamous circumferential red line around the Firestone, Dunlop & Goodyear tyres fitted to the late 60's early 70's GT Falcons, Holden Monaro's etc... and of course in more common themes such as raised white lettering on some 4x4 tyres of today.! If your looking for a certain size tyre with a white or red circumferential band, give the following sites a try first....? http://www.antiquetyres.com.au/ http://www.nttyres.com/showPage.php?page=home My apologies for a long winded explanation and opinion, however, I prefer you to be fully informed of where Continental Tyres stand, and some potential consequences.

Quote: Originally Posted by EskyFreak I seriously doubt it. How many cars have whitewalls nowdays? and this is the only person claiming that they've had a blow-out? nobody would know how many aftermarket whitewalled cars are on the road now who says this is the only person claiming a tyre failure related to whitewalls ? you are assuming that anyone who had the same thing happen would post up on CT or a similar forum

Exactly, because there's a sh*tload. No, I'm assuming they would have told someone who told someone who told someone who then mentioned it on a forum. You really think these places would be able to continue to operate if there were blow-outs left right and centre due to the way they're walling cars? wtf?

Quote: Originally Posted by aus880 nobody would know how many aftermarket whitewalled cars are on the road now who says this is the only person claiming a tyre failure related to whitewalls ? you are assuming that anyone who had the same thing happen would post up on CT or a similar forum ok tyre failure the cheaper white walling machines that have come on the market use a generic angle grinder with a GRINDING disc to clean up the side wall before the paint is applyed the older machines that cost more then 2g dont operate like this i can see how using a cheaper machine CAN cause side wall failure but that would then go back onto the operater of the machine white walls are gay and the side wall is being buffed/grinded and the driver on the car is putting there hands in the white wall operaters hands but in saying this i dont think people would endanger peoples lifes BUT those cheaper machines are dodgy as wouldnt be hard to fk up at all and take a nice dint of rubber out the side wall

bax... that relpy was a good read... i look forward to reading the other ones... u said u got two emails back though... could u post the other one up

Can do, it's not as good as the first reply though. From Bridgestone Quote: Chris, Thank you for your recent inquiry, concerning sidewall strength etc. You are perfectly correct in your second Para, where you say we may not condone grinding the sidewall area. We strongly recommend you do not grind or attempt to alter the sidewall in any of our products. Why ? This is because each size and Load speed Index marked tyre product is designed to operate up to the design load with a given air pressure for that load and speed condition. All tyres operate with a design of sidewall deflection and our products have a balance of sidewall thickness. If you do as you are suggesting then this could upset these design limits and led to sidewall cracking with the final result being tyre failure. We cannot condone or recommend what you are asking about.

Way I see it, my wheels survived a fair few 10sec passes with walls on them with no problems. Have also done over 5000km on the same set of tyres, after being walled twice. Why? Because I don't have a stupid amount of camber. All depends on who you go to I guess, there's the cheap ****ty guys who are more than likely using the machines Ank mentioned, then there's the exact oposite. Just like anything to do with car modification. Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by EskyFreak Way I see it, my wheels survived a fair few 10sec passes with walls on them with no problems. Have also done over 5000km on the same set of tyres, after being walled twice. Why? Because I don't have a stupid amount of camber. All depends on who you go to I guess, there's the cheap ****ty guys who are more than likely using the machines Ank mentioned, then there's the exact oposite. Just like anything to do with car modification. who do you use to do your whitewalls?? do they guarantee their work? Some original photos have not been recovered yet.