What darkstar is saying sounds correct. The first article, on the Age website leaves a lot of grey area, and it would be assumed that VLts, skylines, silvias etc would be legal, however, teh carsguide article clears this up Quote: Originally Posted by Carsguide.com.au The difference in the new regulations is that the power-to-weight formula for cars on the HPV list has been changed to 100 kiloWatts-per-tonne. Vehicles in the 100-125 kiloWatt-per-tonne can also be exempted from the restriction if they are considered to be 'family' and not a 'sports' type vehicle. The full list of eligible vehicles will soon be updated on the VicRoad website, but probationary drivers will need to apply for an exemption permit. So no sports cars, unless they are below 100kw/tonne, or if somehow they are between 100kw/tonne and 125kw/tonne, and are not classed as sports cars and are deemed to be 'green' fuel efficient cars, i doubt very much that any of the listed cars would be on the exempt list

Why don't they just f u c k i n ban us from driving anything that has a motor in it. Seriously if they think that this new legislation is going to be any good they got another thing coming. This is just making us feel like rebelling more and doing the s hit they're trying to prevent us from doing. All they think about is revenue these wankers. Instead of making a legislation based on more 'safer' vehicles and providing some kind of financial support to buy these vehicles to ensure that accidents and road deaths are minimized or something like providing defensive driving course vouchers, they would rather base the legislation on 'green' fuel efficiency which is a load of bulls hit. Think about it, when we are all forced to drive very fuel efficient cars and refill our tanks at a slightly less rate than what we would normally, they are just going to jack up the petrol prices up further at an 'attempt' to balance it out and make a s hitload of profit on the side. That's my interpretation anyway. Not that it will directly affect me cos i'll hopefully have a 6 ute, but the fact that they are just targeting us like this just gives me more of a reason to break the rules.

While i can sympatize with current P platers, these power restictions are not a new thing. I remember when i first got my License 13+years ago, we had restrictions on us that were'nt a whole lot worse than they are now, mind you they used to be more enfoced than they seem to be now. Young people are over represented in crash stats, so that's why the powers that be have and continue to make draconian rules to try and prevent this, and if they can line there pockets on the way through then all the better . If you drive an over powered car\bike, and stack\lose it YOU WONT BE COVERED by insurance Co, this happened to my Brother a couple of years back, on his then new CBR 600 RR, his bike was pinched from the shops, rang the Rozzers, they took a statement, rang his insurance Co, they said "sorry mate, you should not be riding that bike", he was lucky the local D***head's nocked it off and braged at the pub (small country town) , so he got it back in a couple of days luckily as he had no Insurance cover, due to over powered vehicle. My advise to the young blokes\girls, buy what ever first car you want and that IS legal, and you can afford, drive this around till ya off you're P's then go nut's, as you're first car will get dinged and generally treated bad . Chris Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by LUVMTL people in power are so insecure with themselfs they need to show athority to give them an endorphin rush and show there in athority to satisfie there big headed ego i propose we start a vendetta againt the govenment LOL bottom line when my turbz is up i will drive it licence or no licence VIc Roads It's a car GET OVER IT The Govenment It's a CAR GET OVER IT BOTTOM LINE : u can kill youself in any car the laws are silly and show how incontroll the govenment is we should fight as much as we can AMEN.

Talking sh!t on a forum and complaining on a forum will not get you anywhere. If you are concerned about how the new laws affect you, then write to your local MP and get your opinion heard.

has anyone herd anything new about these laws

i went to vic roads 2 weeks ago n asked about it, said they havnt heard anything about =s

sounds very very suspicious. I hope it comes into action, but highly doubt it. Looks like its a N/A for me for a while....

Quote: Originally Posted by paparazzi i went to vic roads 2 weeks ago n asked about it, said they havnt heard anything about =s prolly just a publicity stunt

\ agreed laws are gay like the passenger restrictions!! i got done in da city 14km/h over speed limit lost 3 points then also got done for passengers 3 points lost my liscense and 600 bux worht of fines! While i was waiting some **** head got done 50 km/h over speed limit! He got the same punishment as me loss of liscence! It's ***ed!

dude you shood no better than to speed in "da city" full stop. as for passenger laws yer they suck ass but you no you loose points for having extra passengers so what do you expect? once again a overloaded car , red p plates , modded vl speeding in the city , on what im a guessing was a friday/saturday night? what do you honestly expect to happen

should have jus said they were ur cousins.

it has to be emidiate family. I didnt know you lose 3 points! the fine costs more then the speeding fine

its all bullsh*t man, all they think about is the $$$ 2 cops have said the point system is stupid, and larger fines would hurt the driver more.

So you where doing the wrong thing and your bitching like a girl.

well here it is boys, straight from the vic roads website. link: http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/in...y_if_yo .html (http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/initiatives/safer_road_users/new_graduated_licensi/high_powered_vehicle_restrictions_that_apply_if_yo.html) Quote: Permission to Drive Lower-Performance Turbocharged or Supercharged Cars Drivers who obtained their probationary licence on or after 1 July 2007 can drive some lower-performance turbocharged or supercharged vehicles. These vehicles generally have improved safety features and greater fuel-efficiency and can be driven by probationary drivers. Probationary drivers may apply to drive vehicles with 6 cylinders or less that are: * turbocharged or supercharged with a power to weight ratio of less than 100kW per tonne; * turbocharged or supercharged with a power to weight ratio between 100kW and 125kW per tonne and that are considered to be a family type vehicle (4 seats or more) rather than a sports type vehicle. A family type vehicle is a sedan, station wagon or hatch normally used to carry families/passengers with 4 or more seats and is equipped with child restraint anchorages and does not include sports cars eg a two door coupe. Vehicles with eight cylinders or more, family type-type vehicles with more than 125KW per tonne or other vehicles with more than 100KW per tonne will NOT be granted under this scheme. Probationary drivers may drive diesel-powered supercharged and turbocharged vehicles provided they have no more than 6 cylinders. No exemption is required. Examples of vehicles that are NOT lower performance turbocharged or supercharged cars and must not be driven by probationary drivers include:: AUDI TT QUATTRO 2D COUPE 4 1781 cc TURBO Multi 6 speed Manual BMW 335i E92 2D COUPE 6 2979 cc TWIN TURBO F/INJ 6 speed Automatic FORD FALCON XR6 TURBO BA 4D SEDAN 6 3984 cc TURBO Multi 5 speed Manual MAZDA 6 MPS 5D SEDAN 4 2261 cc TURBO F/INJ 6 speed Manual SUBARU IMPREZA WRX 4D SEDAN 4 1994 cc TURBO Multi 5 speed Manual Probationary drivers can apply to drive lower-performance turbocharged or supercharged cars by completing an application form. You can download a copy of an application form or telephone 13 11 71 to be sent a copy. Application to drive a Lower Performance Supercharged/Turbocharged Vehicle Completed application forms must be returned to: VicRoads Exemptions Locked Bag 5000 KEW VIC 3101 Probationary drivers granted an exemption will receive notification in writing. For further information contact Tel 131171. Penalties From 1 July 2007, the penalty for driving a high powered vehicle will be three demerit points and a maximum fine of approximately $1100. These penalties will apply to both the former power to weight restrictions and the current high powered vehicles restrictions. in the application form it says this: Quote: What is a family type vehicle? A family type vehicle is typically a sedan, station wagon or hatch used to carry families with 4 or more seats and when manufactured was equipped with child restraint anchorages. A family type vehicle does not include sports cars (eg a two door coupe) or the sports oriented variant of a specific model range. The part in bold particularly concerns me. They cannot possibly claim that a vl sl turbo was a 'sports orientated variant', those sports oriented were the hdt's, or possibly anything with fe2's... thoughts?

so basicly you have to fill out a form with yours and your car details to see if your car "complys" with their rules, and then they send you a letter either approving or denying your request...

seems so. would be good if someone who already has a vl turbo on their p's tried to do it, that would determine for the rest of us whether or not we're likely to get bared.

who wants me to try ???? do they look for prevoius records impoundments ?? eCTTT

Quote: Originally Posted by LUVMTL who wants me to try ???? do they look for prevoius records impoundments ?? eCTTT yes try.... a std vlt is over 100kw per tonne anyway?