who cares 1 dollar is still cheaper than 1.40 and at the same time where all epa safe...dont even need to be stock anymore!

who knows this law, they might turn around and make lpg cars non epa safe.... eh does jason ghiller build rb25 lpg motors?

Quote: Originally Posted by LTHLRB who knows this law, they might turn around and make lpg cars non epa safe.... eh does jason ghiller build rb25 lpg motors? How can they do that gas doesn't affect emissions.

Quote: Originally Posted by [HAMOUD] who cares 1 dollar is still cheaper than 1.40 and at the same time where all epa safe...dont even need to be stock anymore! Ah, but its cheaper now Also remember to make it cost viable you have to do more than just a year of driving. It can take a good number of years/kms to reap a cost saving. As the price of LPG gets closer to the price of ULP, the cost benefits are lesser and lesser, meaning the viability of LPG is much less than it was 12 months ago. Obviously there is a bit of speculation about market shifting and world pricing. But then who'd have through ULP prices would be where they are compared to 12 months ago. Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

The excise on gas was ALWAYS coming in, along time before this rebate was offered, like 2 years ago... and it's capped at 12.5 a litre at the end of the rises (in 2012) which is a fair bit better then what's skimmed off the top of normal petrol (around half of petrol is tax) Plus, the government don't control the price of fuel, the oil companies do Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lukaz How can they do that gas doesn't affect emissions. john howard is the prime minister isnt he? LPG is cheaper... but it does burn quicker.

Quote: Originally Posted by LTHLRB john howard is the prime minister isnt he? LPG is cheaper... but it does burn quicker. Yes but he still can't make change something like that, lpg is emission free, its like saying John howard could bring the dinosaurs back because he's prime minister.

there has to be sum kind of catch

course theres a catch, the cost even with a rebate is still a lot... plus most ppl dunno **** about cars and still think gas systems are dangerous so it wont be insanely poppular, we're aware of its benefits.. the common person will shun it still.

any cars built after 1986 and on straight gas will not pass an emissions test as it has to be running the fuel it came out from the factory.

ok who gives a **** about all that, if u cant afford to run ur VL then SELL IT i think the question we all want to know is with a custom PLENUM and GT 35/40 for eg. if u run gas can u pass the EPA laws?????????

the catch is they load every **** up with lpg conversions then raise the price of LPG to 1.40 a litre and we're back to square one stupid ****ing government

the tax on gas will never be as much as ULP because of these 2 points. 1. lower emissions (environmentalists will protest if the tax it ever matches) 2. like LTHLRB said, it burns quicker. either way, im only interested if the myths about LPG and EPA are true

Quote: Originally Posted by WooD any cars built after 1986 and on straight gas will not pass an emissions test as it has to be running the fuel it came out from the factory. if my VL is 1986 will it pass then?? or is it 1985 below

1986 series I VL Commodores value skyrockets!

Quote: Originally Posted by WooD any cars built after 1986 and on straight gas will not pass an emissions test as it has to be running the fuel it came out from the factory. Well think about it, a car on straight gas, isn't going to be able to run petrol so that rule wouldn't make any sense. And it would pass an emissions test, as the test is exactly that, an emissions test. Cars running LPG have less emissions, and gas dedicated cars can get away with mods that dual fuel and petrol cars wouldn't be able to legally. For example it is legal to have no cat/cats in a car running dedicated gas. Cheers, Quote: Originally Posted by LTHLRB i read in the age somewhere at work, little johnny howard is gonna raise the price on LPG... one of the reasons why the grant is comming about... So the price of gas may even b to the $1 mark There is legislation in place to make sure that the retail price of LPG does not exceed 50% of the retail price of regular unleaded. Makes sense as to why LPG prices lifted as petrol prices did, because they could! Cheers,

Quote: Originally Posted by [HAMOUD] who cares 1 dollar is still cheaper than 1.40 and at the same time where all epa safe...dont even need to be stock anymore! exactly man..... i can get mine done for $2600, collect the $2000, and my conversion cost me $600. and with the amount of driving i do now it would have paid for itself within 14 weeks.

Quote: Originally Posted by gary Well think about it, a car on straight gas, isn't going to be able to run petrol so that rule wouldn't make any sense. And it would pass an emissions test, as the test is exactly that, an emissions test. Cars running LPG have less emissions, and gas dedicated cars can get away with mods that dual fuel and petrol cars wouldn't be able to legally. For example it is legal to have no cat/cats in a car running dedicated gas. Cheers, There is legislation in place to make sure that the retail price of LPG does not exceed 50% of the retail price of regular unleaded. Makes sense as to why LPG prices lifted as petrol prices did, because they could! Cheers, mate you got no idea! all cars that are fitted with a cat from the factory have to retain it! do you see the e-gas falcons with no cats for example? show me ANY car that is made after 1986 on straight gas that has passed. go have a read of ADR 37. also ENOTB, it is 01/86 so looks like no luck.

Quote: Originally Posted by gary There is legislation in place to make sure that the retail price of LPG does not exceed 50% of the retail price of regular unleaded. Makes sense as to why LPG prices lifted as petrol prices did, because they could! Cheers, This was brought out over 50 years ago and is no longer valid! The government agreed on it for a certain amount of years and then never re-did it. That was the whole reason they bought out LPG to start with, it didnt cost them anything to produce as it is a bi-product of making petrol. However there is nothing stopping LPG prices from rising to any level.

One thing to say... If you need fuel you buy simple as that.. No matter what the price is.. Think about the people who are drivers who work for themself... They are the ones who pay for fuel every single day not joe blow down the road filling up once a week... I see like this if i drive my car and i need fuel i put it in simple as that no use crying over the price of it... Cannot have the cake and eat it too guys... Converting to gas because what johnny is saying why bother.. What the fact that it puts more wear on your motor? and that when you goto do a 100,000kms service it cost you more then a car running on unleaded... Different story if you fork out money for a gas research not mr dual fuel's gas conversion down the road which everyone seems to be getting and going back as they are having problems...