Well if Pulp is 98octane when made by the time you buy it after sitting around it would not still be 98 it's most likely dropped abit..........Hence the reason I use tol to make sure it's at it's best and make it safe........... I would say that using tol is still pump fuel as it's in it from the manufacturer so why is it so bad when we add more to make it safer?............

Quote: Originally Posted by sherif so why is it so bad when we add more to make it safer?............ i never said it was bad........just that in my humble opinion its not "pump fuel" toluene is good **** .........this may interest you........http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_inte...tane_power.pdf (http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/australia/corporate_australia/STAGING/local_assets/downloads_pdfs/f/Fuel_news_new_fuel_octane_power.pdf) for every one else if you are going to use toluene BP ultimate is the fuel to use to mix it with as it has the lowest content of toluene from the refinery(shell uses 5% to reach 98ron compared to Bp @ 2%)

Quote: Originally Posted by cmy747 i never said it was bad........just that in my humble opinion its not "pump fuel" toluene is good **** .........this may interest you........http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_inte...tane_power.pdf (http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/australia/corporate_australia/STAGING/local_assets/downloads_pdfs/f/Fuel_news_new_fuel_octane_power.pdf) for every one else if you are going to use toluene BP ultimate is the fuel to use to mix it with as it has the lowest content of toluene from the refinery(shell uses 5% to reach 98ron compared to Bp @ 2%) Very interesting, I know a few that say the Optimax is better due to it's more consitant in it fuel quality, but I use and will continue to use Ultimate..

where do you get this toluene stuff from? or whats it found in.

I have only ever used BP Ultimate in my VL. regardless of that it only runs 12 psi boost and a touch over 200 rwhp... I have found it to be a good fuel (expensive.. but good).

Quote: Originally Posted by theVLguy where do you get this toluene stuff from? or whats it found in. you can get it from some hardware stores & most fuel depots....... i normally buy it from bp, toluene is normally used as a solvent.

I have allways run SHELL OPTIMAX/V-POWER. My car feels a bit lethargic on BP. Allso run Nulon additive which can be bought at most servos.(I only run it to save the valves and valve seats......officer.......lol)

Quote: Originally Posted by PSI316 My car feels a bit lethargic on BP. hahahaha thats due to ur inability to put added downward force to the go pedal , hahaha as whitey would sav "rev it"

Quote: Well if Pulp is 98octane when made by the time you buy it after sitting around it would not still be 98 it's most likely dropped abit..........Hence the reason I use tol to make sure it's at it's best and make it safe........... I would say that using tol is still pump fuel as it's in it from the manufacturer so why is it so bad when we add more to make it safer?............ Well according to that doucment, toluene increases the fuels octane by 1 point per 5% added. So I guess it just depends how much you're adding for 'safety'.. because to be able to make 586rwhp on 'pump fuel' - I would imagine that you must be running a decent amount of toluene, and then it is arguable that you're not really using it for 'safety', due to being at the limit of the fuel in its natural state (in case u get a bad batch), but as an anti-knock additave to achieve in excess of 100rwhp+ of what u would make without the use of toluene.. To use toluene to bring the fuel back to its genuine 98octane rating, in the evnet that it has gone off from sitting for a while... you would be looking at probably only adding 6L or so to a tank...

Quote: Originally Posted by OVL087 hahahaha thats due to ur inability to put added downward force to the go pedal , hahaha as whitey would sav "rev it" Orrh don't worrie andy, ive seen adam rev the piss out of his thing... Ive never use an addative in mine, (be good to see what it could do) keep in-mind ive never been interested in making big power from my car, i just love to cruise. In saying that, you boy's are getting good result's from these mix's (tol, C16, addative's and Water inject) so why stop now and like col said, why would you put your engine in danger by not mixing it.

you're not putting anything in danger if u tune it correctly, and add a safety margin for the possibility of a not so good batch of fuel. would be quite expensive if i were to drive my car everyday using toluene.. dont u think ? lol

not as expensive as doing powercruise on c16 lol

Quote: Originally Posted by MAX PSI not as expensive as doing powercruise on c16 lol Who uses C16? I thought yours was pump plus plus

Quote: Originally Posted by sherif Who uses C16? I thought yours was pump plus plus Ya it was pump...pumped out of a tin

of a tin that u so kindly left behind, which we put inside shermans tent with all the other rubbish.. hahah

Quote: Originally Posted by exchaser you're not putting anything in danger if u tune it correctly, and add a safety margin for the possibility of a not so good batch of fuel. would be quite expensive if i were to drive my car everyday using toluene.. dont u think ? lol i was more refering to risking an engine going after big power on pump(using pump is no problem)........you can only do so much on pump fuel........mine would probably only make 200hp on pump before i chickened out & went for some c16 lol

there might be no diffrence pushing limits on pump and pushing limits on c16,you are both getting results in danger "limits",only diffrence is c16 is more controlled quality,well it better be for the price

Quote: there might be no diffrence pushing limits on pump and pushing limits on c16,you are both getting results in danger "limits",only diffrence is c16 is more controlled quality,well it better be for the price Yeah exactly... which kinda makes putting a 50/50 mix of pump/tol in ur car for 'safety' look like overkill..... if u want 'safety' why not just stick to pump fuel without additaves and take a few degrees of timing out? that would be a cheaper alternative... hahaha except wouldn't it be interesting and funny to see the power figures drop in the ass.... by the 100rwhp mark if there was no tol in the tank. :P

Quote: Originally Posted by exchaser of a tin that u so kindly left behind, which we put inside shermans tent with all the other rubbish.. hahah hahaha. 2 years in a row i have donated my tent to them, full of stuff...

To join the debate: If you run straight pump fuel, or pump fuel with an off the shelf octane booster, thats PUMP FUEL If you add tolulene, of any %, your not running pump fuel. Sherif, I don't mean to single you out, but I'm sick of reading on this forum that you claim to run pump fuel. As stated, large %'s of tolulene can add enough safety margin for another 100+rwhp, especially on a "big" setup. Your car BEFORe you owned it always ran 30+% of tolulene, and you'd now like us to believe it makes more power, goes faster, and runs virtually none?? Whatever. Why do people seem to feel the need to bullsh it about these sort of things to self inflate their performances? You car makes what it makes, it runs what it runs. Ollies car ran its 10.5 with 50% C16 in the tank, I guess that was "pump fuel" too as it was at least 50+%. Tell you what, how bout we have a challenge, you tell us the % of tol you run, we drain your tank at the track, mix in front of our eyes the same % of BP ultimate and tolulene, fill her up and do a pass. Put the argument to rest once and for all. 6BOOST PS, I have no problems with tolulene, I recommend/push my customers and friends to run it when making ANY kind of decent hp, including Ollie and colin's cars, I personally would never push a single cam 30 over 400rwhp WITHOUT at least running 30-50% tolulene or C16, I don't see it as cheating, there is no one to "cheat", we're all only our OWN competitors, unless of coarse we are bullsh iting about what we are running, to self inflate our performance.