Quote: Originally Posted by FRASHD I know what your getting at.. I see and tune alot of cars that people spend big dollars on a 5.0 be it Holden or Ford for a sh1tty 30 kw's. And the arguement on displacement doesnt stand up. 350 chev first or second gen or factory stroker VS GTS 5.7 are no where near a standard LS1. port design, piston skirt, fuel economy, etc, etc. I am not anyones accountant, but why bother trying to make a old school 5.0 beat a newly designed LS1. thats like turbo charging the first holden grey motor. F Uck that. bolt an RB30 in it. Besides anyone can make a car feel quick by lowing the diff ratio and fitting a stall. Slam a set of 4.44:1 in a sticky VB and you'll think you're in a fire breather upto 80. A wheel is round.... don't try re-invent it. its simple mate sometimes you gotta work with what you have and thats fine, if i was stuck with a 5ltr VQ i would definately spend a little bit to make it get up and go better. And if you have seen and tuned alot of cars you should know the more cubes you have to play with the better, simple as that. It doesnt matter if one 350CI engine makes less power than another 350CI motor (or what ever displacement may be), at the end of the day all apsects of each can be modified so each can make the same power - thats where the terms "mild" motor and "wild" motor come in. And also seeing that higher diff gears and a stall improve performance then let it be! its a performance upgrade yes? so what if chucked in any car it would make a difference, thats the whole point. Seriously I'm glad there hasnt been arguments but it feels like this is gonna just go in circles so I'll leave it at that and to the the thread starter go sell your car for 4 grand, take out a 20 grand loan just so you can cruise a stock 5.7ltr car thatll run 14 flat on a good day

Quote: Originally Posted by vlcalais8 It doesnt matter if one 350CI engine makes less power than another 350CI motor (or what ever displacement may be 346 chief Now that this thread has turned to ****, its probably pointless to post anything else constructive cause its clear that both sides of the fence are going to disagree. To the original poster, just remember that aswell as having a more expensive build ahead of you, most of the stock LS1's you "want to beat" will probably be stockers driven by people who couldnt care less if you get to the next red light quicker, so you will have spent all that coin for nothing really. Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

he's refering to 1/4 mile times not who can get to the next red light the quickest.

Quote: Originally Posted by bling he's refering to 1/4 mile times not who can get to the next red light the quickest. Then the LS1's he wants to beat are going to **** all over him and he definately wont be able to afford it /thread

ive been following this thread and its turned to junk. I've owned a 5L and driven COUNTLESS 5.7L (and 6L ) how do you beat a gen3 in an aussie 5L? easy, sell it and BUY a gen3. dollar per kw, you can't beat the gen3's. even the supercharger kits are half the price of the 5L is you wanted to go that route. That's my 2 cents. Happy new year to all. Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by MPRSIV ive been following this thread and its turned to junk. I've owned a 5L and driven COUNTLESS 5.7L (and 6L ) how do you beat a gen3 in an aussie 5L? easy, sell it and BUY a gen3. dollar per kw, you can't beat the gen3's. even the supercharger kits are half the price of the 5L is you wanted to go that route. That's my 2 cents. Happy new year to all. Best post yet. Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by GR346 346 chief Now that this thread has turned to ****, its probably pointless to post anything else constructive cause its clear that both sides of the fence are going to disagree. To the original poster, just remember that aswell as having a more expensive build ahead of you, most of the stock LS1's you "want to beat" will probably be stockers driven by people who couldnt care less if you get to the next red light quicker, so you will have spent all that coin for nothing really. wasnt referring to the LS1 chief, just speaking of 350's or like stated whatever displacement an engine may be. Its also alot easier said than done when it comes to the pointless bit of advice "just sell it and buy the other", maybe some people dont have the money to do so? any one heard of thinking out side the box? And if any one thinks a thread has turned to **** just because it has some decent opinions and a mature discussion maybe they shouldnt come here, especially if you are narrow minded and only focus on one side of the picture simple as that. So come on, what other person with lacking brain power wants to post useless info along the lines of "this will beat that for sure" without any contributing info? thats the sort of stuff that turns threads to ****, its about as dumb as me going into the VL turbo section and saying "well the 4 second funny cars run V8's, you should all ditch your turbos and get V8's".... Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

there was an article in SM a few months back were they bought a stcok vt ss gen 3 for 15K and spent just over 10 grand on it by doing cam, head work, timing chain, auto, stall, diff gears, tune, extractors and exhaust and the car ran 12.5 and made 330 rwhp, so all up they spend over $25,000 if u take a vn ss or vn calais which u can pick up for 5grand buy a vortech v2 kit, small cam tune, extractors exhaust,gears, stall it should make 260-270 rwkw which should be able to run mid to low 12's and cost under 20grand, even less if your a mechanic of course as soon as u slap a blower on the gen 3 its all over but then u'll be adding another 6-7grand maybe more, it all comes down 2 the budget and what style of cars u like, im not really a fan of the vt-vx shape appart from the hsv's

Quote: Originally Posted by GM_Weapon it all comes down 2 the budget and what style of cars u like, im not really a fan of the vt-vx shape appart from the hsv's thats the bottom line

thanks guys my bro just put full exhaust 3:9s stage 2 auto from shift kit the clucths, also cold air and au thermos, he has beat my dads vu ss so will he beat a vx ss with edit done and exhaust,.. thanks

Quote: Originally Posted by ben2363 thanks guys my bro just put full exhaust 3:9s stage 2 auto from shift kit the clucths, also cold air and au thermos, he has beat my dads vu ss so will he beat a vx ss with edit done and exhaust,.. thanks whats a stage 2 auto from shift kit the clutchs?

got all done $2900 2500k stall cev piston, shift kit cluches ect

Quote: Originally Posted by bling bah ha.. yeh **** wit! another pussy behind the computer ay! 32 Panoramic Dr Narangba ... thats were i live, come round big mouth an tell me im gay!! bah ha ha, nah know for a fact u wont **** head.... ill inform u u will have no teeth if i ever see u for being a smart ass.... dont reply or i will ask around for where u live and beat the arrogance out of u..... it a car forum, talk about cars, take ur smart as talk else were OH LOOK AT U BEING A TUFF GUY.. why would i wanna come to qld to c a poof im not the 1 actin all tuff and **** lol take a joke mate nd settle down.. u say u are sick of smart arse posts u have only been a member for a few months lmao, get used to it. peace out champ Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

gen is just factory loaded with great goodies.. alloy heads (allow more comp and more power) much better intake manifold, roller cam, superior ignition system, oh yeah.. another .7 litres of displacement. Put alloy heads, harrop manifold and stroke a holden and we'll see who wins.. but of course stock for stock, gen3 >>>>>>>> holden v8.

I guess if you're mechanically minded and keen you could make the 5 litre go fast for reasonably cheap, but for most of us who dont really have the equipment or know how, well really how can you go past a full exhaust and vcmsuite or ls1edit for a massive power boost compared to stock thats still fully driveable and sort of legal! Unfortunately around here at least, most of the ls1 drivers are starting to cotton on to the cheap modding side of things, and all of a sudden im starting to feel like im driving a noisy boat (no not because its a vn either lol), but i cant really see any cheap way of getting ass kicking performance out of it, so i think ill just leave it as it is until i want to get rid of it. course i stand by my earlier statement that the 5 litre feels more 'fun' to drive on the street due to the low/mid range torque and the note! wouldn't touch one in a VT though, just dosen't feel right!

my 5l only has t69 cam, roller rockers, 3.9 gears, mini spool, 30thou, and quiet easily beats vx ss etc..

Quote: Originally Posted by ben2363 he wants to know how he car can beat there over the 1/4 with min cost as pos Spend $1,000 on a 150hp shot of NOS and you'll beat Gen3 down the 1/4

Quote: Originally Posted by DVS VL280 OH LOOK AT U BEING A TUFF GUY.. why would i wanna come to qld to c a poof im not the 1 actin all tuff and **** lol take a joke mate nd settle down.. u say u are sick of smart arse posts u have only been a member for a few months lmao, get used to it. peace out champ hmm. cant say i saw that this was a "post ur jokes" topic... cant say that was much of a joke either.. i doubt u'd walk into a pub and start tellin that joke to random people right?! cos u'd get ur face punched in, like anyone would do to u if u said that to their face and u didnt even know them! so i take it ur another wanker hiding behind ur computer with a big mouth. wats bein a member for a few months got to do with anything? plus ive been on here a lot longer than u mate... i bought ULOOKD off here years ago. none of ur posts in this topic are remotelly on topic so why bother even goin on this site? "Spend $1,000 on a 150hp shot of NOS and you'll beat Gen3 down the 1/4" only way worth doin it! Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by Sinister gen is just factory loaded with great goodies.. alloy heads (allow more comp and more power) much better intake manifold, roller cam, superior ignition system, oh yeah.. another .7 litres of displacement. Put alloy heads, harrop manifold and stroke a holden and we'll see who wins.. but of course stock for stock, gen3 >>>>>>>> holden v8. You also forgot to mention stock for stock the GEN III has torque limiting all through the factory tune. the 5.0 is just tuned safe, no torque limiting there. Plus most owners of a VT SS series 2 GENIII would put 91 to 95 octaine in there car. This makes the car pull the timing back to about 11 -13 degress. Just put some 98 in most GEN III's and drive them around for a while. different car. So are you saying leave a GENIII stock and stroke the 5.0, change the inlet, put alloy heads on it, change to an performance manifold. And then have a race. Are they both in the same car. Ie VT series 1 vs series 2 The factory computers are better in the GENIII so we better put a motec and tune it up on the other car to make it equal hey. Oh and the Cast iron manifolds flow better on the GENIII so lets put a set of Pace makers on the 5.0. VT HSV series 1 were 5.7 (not gen III) so wouldn't a HSV series 1 VT with a 5.7 v's a VT series 2 bog stock SS running 98 octaine fuel be a better match. At the END of the day the LS1 LS2 and so on is a much BETTER, more DEVELOPED engine than a 308,304,253, HSV cast iron 5.7 stroker. You could post the "IF" factor all day. "IF" my untie had balls she'd be my uncle.

Why compare the 2 engines anyway? It's pretty obvious the LS1 is a better engine. Here's another amazing statement - a 2007 Corolla is quicker than a 1989 Corolla The question here is "how to beat a vx and vy 5.7 in a 5.0?"... not "which is better, the new US built motor, or the 20 year old Australian built motor"