Quote: Originally Posted by Loves A dose oh well fcuk em they ant ganna stop me thats always the best attitude to have... Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

im curious, i already have my license and got it befor 1st july 08 but got it in auto. and im wanting to go for my manual, do i have to sit the new test? everyone is saying its harder and goes for about 45 mins

does anyone know if people have been getting done for having a 'modified engine'. meaning there car wasnt a 8, turbo or supercharged but they still got done for something like an exhaust, extractors or cold air intake etc on a n/a 6 or 4cyl?

ummm, yeah thats the law now so i would say people have been getting done for engine mods. why wouldnt they?

Quote: Originally Posted by paparazzi im curious, i already have my license and got it befor 1st july 08 but got it in auto. and im wanting to go for my manual, do i have to sit the new test? everyone is saying its harder and goes for about 45 mins yes your gunna have to do the new test

I just wanted to share my opinion. The first thing I have a problem with is the passanger restriction on P platers for 1 year. I know the statistics say that the most P plate deaths occur when there's three or more People aged 16-21 in the car, but now it means if you and your friends are going out, that half of you will have to be designated drivers and there will be a lot more P plate drivers on the road. Not everyone is a hoon but who isn't encouraged when theres more than one car involved in the same situation. The second thing I have a problem with is the restrictions on what cars you can and can't drive, in my opinion the power to weight ratio worked perfectly, it meant that you could drive a 1970's V8 but not a new high powered six. Now they are both out, reducing the numbers of cars available to P platers. My third problem is slightly hypothetical but i'll use the VL as an example. N/A RB30 VL top speed 200 km/h. Turbo RB30 VL top speed 220 km/h. Say for example they are both exact same spec other than the added turbo (like an SL and an SL turbo), and they are crusing down a highway at 160km/h and they both brake at the same time. Which will stop faster? The Turbo due to its ugraded brakes. My point here is that cars designed to go fast have more built in safety features, where as base models don't. People are still going to drive just as fast, but theres going to be less safety for those who choose to break the law. My final problem is that its not power that kills, its exactly what the TAC say, It is speed that kills, yes power makes it easier to speed but power isn't the problem, its irresponsible drivers and it just seems like this is a lazy half arsed attempt to reduce the statistics and not solve the actual problem. Just how I see it.

Cruising at 160kmh is illegal in australia. Majority of what you mention I agree with.. but chin up, deal with it, thats how it is.

I am well aware that cruising at 160 km/h is illegal in Australia, it was a hypothetical situation for law breakers, that i guarantee will occur. The thing that bugs me isn't just the fact that i won't be able to drive high performance cars when I get my P's it is more so that even I can tell its been poorly thought out.

Its hard to say to people that they can drive X car, but not Y car because the braking statistics vary. Its easy to say No P plater will drive a car with this output. Moreso, youll benefit from driving a low performance vehicle while learning. I thought the same as you when I was 18... but I am so glad that I only had a slow car... I did enough damage in that and I regard myself as mature especially compared to mates my own age, didnt muck around much etc. Learn to drive, then earn the right to have a quicker car.

Quote: Originally Posted by DOHC4LIFE I just wanted to share my opinion. The first thing I have a problem with is the passanger restriction on P platers for 1 year. I know the statistics say that the most P plate deaths occur when there's three or more People aged 16-21 in the car, but now it means if you and your friends are going out, that half of you will have to be designated drivers and there will be a lot more P plate drivers on the road. Not everyone is a hoon but who isn't encouraged when theres more than one car involved in the same situation. The second thing I have a problem with is the restrictions on what cars you can and can't drive, in my opinion the power to weight ratio worked perfectly, it meant that you could drive a 1970's V8 but not a new high powered six. Now they are both out, reducing the numbers of cars available to P platers. My third problem is slightly hypothetical but i'll use the VL as an example. N/A RB30 VL top speed 200 km/h. Turbo RB30 VL top speed 220 km/h. Say for example they are both exact same spec other than the added turbo (like an SL and an SL turbo), and they are crusing down a highway at 160km/h and they both brake at the same time. Which will stop faster? The Turbo due to its ugraded brakes. My point here is that cars designed to go fast have more built in safety features, where as base models don't. People are still going to drive just as fast, but theres going to be less safety for those who choose to break the law. My final problem is that its not power that kills, its exactly what the TAC say, It is speed that kills, yes power makes it easier to speed but power isn't the problem, its irresponsible drivers and it just seems like this is a lazy half arsed attempt to reduce the statistics and not solve the actual problem. Just how I see it. your right in every way except one, the government wants to revenue raise and what easier way than a stand out target audience thanks to the media

Hey guys, Does anyone know if P platers can club register a performance car to use for legitimate events? and legally drive it? Seeing as I'd rather not be one of the P platers that gets caught for car modifying I thought I might make something half serious for the track.

Quote: Originally Posted by PROGMH . Learn to drive, then earn the right to have a quicker car. as much as i hate this law because im affected by it , this qoute makes alot of sense to me

only dumb thing is a stock vl turbo's are less powerful then some of the v6's ect now so there rules are all stuffed up and they basicly took the easy way out

Quote: Originally Posted by THC only dumb thing is a stock vl turbo's are less powerful then some of the v6's ect now so there rules are all stuffed up and they basicly took the easy way out the modern cars have far more safety features like airbags/abs etc etc hence meaning you are less likely to crash Quote: Moreso, youll benefit from driving a low performance vehicle while learning. I thought the same as you when I was 18... but I am so glad that I only had a slow car... I did enough damage in that and I regard myself as mature especially compared to mates my own age, didnt muck around much etc. Learn to drive, then earn the right to have a quicker car. good comment

was talking to some mates the other day about the power to weight laws and one mate said that they have gone back to the old 125kw per ton law only for those who got there license without goin on the red Ps. i checked the vic roads web site n it says this: Probationary drivers may apply to drive vehicles with 6 cylinders or less that are: -turbocharged or supercharged with a power to weight ratio of less than 100kW per tonne; -turbocharged or supercharged with a power to weight ratio between 100kW and 125kW per tonne and that -are considered to be a family type vehicle (4 seats or more) rather than a sports type vehicle. A family type vehicle is a sedan, station wagon or hatch normally used to carry families/passengers with 4 or more seats and is equipped with child restraint anchorages and does not include sports cars eg a two door coupe. Vehicles with eight cylinders or more, family type-type vehicles with more than 125KW per tonne or other vehicles with more than 100KW per tonne will NOT be granted under this scheme. i know people will say just call vic roads. i have called them about 9 times n each time im on hold for over 30 min. gotten through twice n the lady said well if the site says it then yeah.

I totally agree mate, and i will be putting my turbo motor in asap, if i get pulled over ill show them the paper that says that above. Had spoken to two police women when they had pulled me up and they said to me well if it says it go for it just a long as you keep the papers with you that say it so you can show police. Although the othe rnight was going to get 3 demerit points plus a $300 fine for extractors LMFAO, low as it can go i must say.

does a standard calais turbo fall into these provisions....... or what car does....?

Yes a standard VLT falls under this category and falls under the power to weight ratio. If a police officer pulls me up ill just show them the above statement and tell them thats what it says on vic roads, and i will also give them proof that my car falls under that ratio as i will give them the power to weight calculations which is of REDBOOK.COM. Not being ****y about it but thats what it says and iam going by it so i dont see the big deal.

Quote: Originally Posted by agressive [View Post] Yes a standard VLT falls under this category and falls under the power to weight ratio. If a police officer pulls me up ill just show them the above statement and tell them thats what it says on vic roads, and i will also give them proof that my car falls under that ratio as i will give them the power to weight calculations which is of REDBOOK.COM. Not being ****y about it but thats what it says and iam going by it so i dont see the big deal. Agreed with you matey, always stood behind the stance that you cant make a rule and then adapt it as you see fit without it being in writing. Will be doing the same thing as you very shortly. More support we get the better.

you need an exemption to meet the above criteria which will not be given to a VL Turbo, most police offices know this, trust me ive done the research... Theres more info on the subject then just the above...