Quote: Originally Posted by Gassdup does it really matter? gas/blower/turbo all forced induction buddy. It is illegal to use gas on the street but it only really matters what happens at the track. Run a 10sec pass on the street and get caught your ****ed whether u use gas/turbo/blower to do it. So if gas is cheating,being a form of forced induction i guess turbos and blowers are cheating also. Maybe we all better go back to running n/a hey? How is Nitrous forced induction? Can you explain to me how it FORCES AIR into the intake? I think it's a little like cheating also, you can go buy a bottle, hook it all up, retard your timing and your off running decent times. But as Antho has said, a turbo and supercharger run off the momentum of your engine, meaning that there's no other energy being produced from anything bar the engine, unlike nitrous. Removed last bit as I'm not sure.

its not such muched forced induction as it is a form of aspiration.

Quote: Originally Posted by Epitaph its not such muched forced induction as it is a form of aspiration. maybe i was a little hasty with the word forced induction should have used assisted maybe. anyway point is doesnt really matter how he achieves his 10 sec pass as long as he does it. gas can be used at the drags so the argument of whether or not its cheating is irrelevant. until they ban nitrous it isnt cheating no matter what anyone thinks. like i said before nitrous is illegal on the street but so is street racing so it doesnt really matter how it performs on the street, just at the track.

Quote: Originally Posted by [JZU73] How is Nitrous forced induction? Can you explain to me how it FORCES AIR into the intake? I think it's a little like cheating also, you can go buy a bottle, hook it all up, retard your timing and your off running decent times. But as Antho has said, a turbo and supercharger run off the momentum of your engine, meaning that there's no other energy being produced from anything bar the engine, unlike nitrous. If it were forced induction and the same as turbocharged and supercharged cars it wouldn't have it's own class in drag racing "Nitrous Assist." goto www.andra.com.au (http://www.andra.com.au) and show me where the sepetate class for nitrous is please. maybe down there you guys have a seperate class for gas but we dont. i thought every drag meet australia wide falls under andra regulations so if ya can show me the class ill stand corrected

Haddads Hq, i don't think it was as mild as it was made out, and they used to say it ran on pump fuel which was bull**** aswell, it sure has a funny smell and white exhaust tips for premium . Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

nah we dont have a seperate class, its in Aspirated Class along with superchargers and turbochargers.

same up here everyone races what the bring

Quote: Originally Posted by Gassdup goto www.andra.com.au (http://www.andra.com.au) and show me where the sepetate class for nitrous is please. maybe down there you guys have a seperate class for gas but we dont. i thought every drag meet australia wide falls under andra regulations so if ya can show me the class ill stand corrected Touche. "nah we dont have a seperate class, its in Aspirated Class along with superchargers and turbochargers." It's really hard to put across what I mean. They're all Aspirated, but I'm damn sure that at willowbank I've seen Aspirated/Nitrous assist. Not it's own class but sub-division kinda thing. I'll shut up for now though as I'm not completely sure. But I still think nitrous is cheating Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by [JZU73] Touche. "nah we dont have a seperate class, its in Aspirated Class along with superchargers and turbochargers." It's really hard to put across what I mean. They're all Aspirated, but I'm damn sure that at willowbank I've seen Aspirated/Nitrous assist. Not it's own class but sub-division kinda thing. I'll shut up for now though as I'm not completely sure. But I still think nitrous is cheating get on the gas m8 you'll love it Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

SSA is NA SSAA is gas/turbo/blown

Quote: Originally Posted by Sinister how do u figure??? theres 10 second lpg falcons, "little" 4litre 6 cylinders, a chev n/a should be capable of a high 11 or 12, blower should put it into the 10s with ease... and has, as was on the haddad hq/vl... 10.6 i think it did, very basic combo and very small cam tho it was a holden. that very fast/streetable VL that haddad built for the customer was a drive in drive out package cost 70 grand !!! 10's for 10 grand i dont think so.

im sorry.. to build a 10 sec car for 11 grand... no chance in history.. you couldnt build a 600hp engine for under 9k + box, diff.. i dunno if it was going to be 11k on an engine, even 11k wouldnt be enough for the engine..

Quote: Originally Posted by sle383 that very fast/streetable VL that haddad built for the customer was a drive in drive out package cost 70 grand !!! 10's for 10 grand i dont think so. well hes obviously a cheque book racer but to imitate a comparable setup would way less than half of what he paid... assuming u have some basic idea, thats why a lot of workshops thrive when u have ppl with no clue they just tell the shop to make their car go fast and have lots of money.

a good 400 cuber built by fenech or AN rancing to run a 10 in a 1500kg car is not cheap, im talking 15 - 17k NA not blown 600hp+, for a blown package i was looking at 21k.700hp+ for a 540 cuber package na i was looking at 19k and blown i was up for 24 - 26k. 790hp+ and these seem to be going rates for chev builds, im assuming holdens are even more expensive to build as the chev engine is the cheapest to slap together...i am putting the big block in a 1960 chev belair weighing 1800kg+ and i am semi confident of a mid to high 10.. but the entire driveline has been strengthened.. so 11k isnt realistic im sorry, not in my opinion anyway.. but if you can get away with it for that much then full credit to you!! good luck with it anyway

LOL No way !!!! While you may be able to do a 10 sec car with that money I don't know how many times you'll do it ?? Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by [JZU73] But I still think nitrous is cheating bring what you've got and make sure you've got enough is how its done here in melb. dont care wtf engine/tyres you've got. Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by EAT-30T LOL No way !!!! While you may be able to do a 10 sec car with that money I don't know how many times you'll do it ?? Ive done the engine for 11k, new bottom end, good rods, stroker, good pistons, heads, rockers, cam, all machine works, turbo manifolds, turbo, gates etc, would be under 11k, car owes me just under 20k, and will run 10's with ease on lowish boost. but, that said, ive done all the work myself Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

yeah the main problem is that you want to do it in a hq!youll either have to go big block or gas on a small block,or put around 18 grand into a n/a small block,but then you really wont have streetability.theirs a guy i know with a hq four door hq and he has poored around 32 grand into his engine and has gone a best of 10.5!350 chev,14.5 compression,roller cam,alloy heads,methanol,6500 converter!the motor was built by russell jones race engines on the goldcoast and anyone who knows a bit about drag racing will know how good russell jones is at building motors!so i reckon go the bb crate motor at least youll have a bit more streetability and should do a high 11,throw 100 of gas on it and your laughing.all the best.