The front looks tuff - reminds me of Opel a lot though, Astra Turbo especially : The ass end is definiately different, may take some time getting used to... You can't really make a firm judgement based on a magazine picture anyway. Besides, it may not even look like this when it's released. Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X Holden can only dream of having the technology that Audi have, not even in the same league, Holden are light years behind, if it wasnt for pig headed aussie loyalty Holden would be f*cked and we would all be driving Euro/Jap cars, the VE is a f*ckin abortion the only good thing theyre doing is adding a diesel to the line up, about f*cking time, again copying Audi again, its just going to get more and more interesting with the way fuel prices are going, the Corolla is out selling the Commodore and the Falcon and thats including fleet sales which make up a majority of Holdens sales, look at what Holden are doing, giving away $2,000 of fuel for the V6 and $4k for the V8, real smart ay, fuel goes up... hey lets introduce a 6.0L V8 its bigger, surely its better, f*ckin american mentallity behind it all ffs Holden were still using a pushrod motor until the VZ, they probably wont even use FSI technology for another 10 years, and apparantly 1 billion dollars has been invested into the new Commodore... blue chip??? I agree with all of that. Too many wankers wont get there hands off it and realise compared to most other cars, holden are pretty piss poor.

Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X Holden can only dream of having the technology that Audi have, not even in the same league. Just like most people can only dream about owning an Audi. Yes, Holden's technology isn't in the same league but neither is their pricing. For the price of an SS, Calais or HSV you would be lucky to get a bare bones base model Audi. Stuff the Audi, I know where I'd rather spend my money. Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X the VE is a f*ckin abortion??? You obviously know SFA about it then Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X the only good thing theyre doing is adding a diesel to the line up, about f*cking time, again copying Audi again Oh, I'm sorry, Audi invented the diesel engine an is the only manufacturer in the world to use it.. I must bow down to them now. Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X the Corolla is out selling the Commodore and the Falcon Do some research and get your facts straight, the Corolla has never outsold the Commodore and only outsold Falcon once in July. Other than that it has never come close. Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X look at what Holden are doing, giving away $2,000 of fuel for the V6 and $4k for the V8, real smart ay Yes, it is smart, this is done for a reason... This is part of the VZ series 1 runout. Now what dealers usually do in a runout is heavily discount the RRP of the car. What that does is essentially weaken the resale value - because the car was sold for a lower price it will be worth less than it should be in the future. With the free fuel offer Holden are doing, they are able to sell the car at retail price which helps its resale value, but at the same time give the customer a $2000/$4000 saving, without devaluing the car. And with fuel prices the way they are, it is also excellent marketing. Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X fuel goes up... hey lets introduce a 6.0L V8 its bigger, surely its better, f*ckin american mentallity behind it all ffs Holden were still using a pushrod motor until the VZ Have you actually checked the fuel consumption figures for the LS2? They are very impressive for an engine of that size. And with VVT and DOD to soon be features of these engines, their fuel efficiency will only improve. Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X f*ckin american mentallity behind it all ffs Holden were still using a pushrod motor until the VZ And they still do use pushrod engines, the LS1 and LS2, and these engines prove that a well designed pushrod engine can be vastly superior to an OHC engine. Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X apparantly 1 billion dollars has been invested into the new Commodore... Which means don't underestimate it.

Alot of ppl seem to be bagging it out but give it a few months after release it will most likely grow on alot of ppl

Quote: Originally Posted by gmhvl6 Just like most people can only dream about owning an Audi. Yes, Holden's technology isn't in the same league but neither is their pricing. For the price of an SS, Calais or HSV you would be lucky to get a bare bones base model Audi. Stuff the Audi, I know where I'd rather spend my money. thats ok keep buying fleet, Holdens resale value is pretty bad, almost justifies the cost of the Audi, their resale is solid You obviously know SFA about it then thats what i think of the pictures ive seen of it so far, its my opinion and im entitled to it Oh, I'm sorry, Audi invented the diesel engine an is the only manufacturer in the world to use it.. I must bow down to them now. no but they are the first to use FSI technology and have been using AWD (quattro) for 25 years and are the only cars on the aussie market that have perfected CVT Do some research and get your facts straight, the Corolla has never outsold the Commodore and only outsold Falcon once in July. Other than that it has never come close. take the fleet sales out of the equation then see where it all lies Yes, it is smart, this is done for a reason... This is part of the VZ series 1 runout. Now what dealers usually do in a runout is heavily discount the RRP of the car. What that does is essentially weaken the resale value - because the car was sold for a lower price it will be worth less than it should be in the future. With the free fuel offer Holden are doing, they are able to sell the car at retail price which helps its resale value, but at the same time give the customer a $2000/$4000 saving, without devaluing the car. And with fuel prices the way they are, it is also excellent marketing. i agree with you there to a degree, yes the resale value wont be hurt as much but while they still have fleet, resale on a commodore will always be a bitch Have you actually checked the fuel consumption figures for the LS2? They are very impressive for an engine of that size. And with VVT and DOD to soon be features of these engines, their fuel efficiency will only improve. and what are the figures exactly? not being a smart ass, if its not less than 13/100 km combined then i think thats fairly thirsty And they still do use pushrod engines, the LS1 and LS2, and these engines prove that a well designed pushrod engine can be vastly superior to an OHC engine. taken a while for the developement process, all up to the yanks really, not like theyre Holdens engines to start with Which means don't underestimate it. all of that money hopefully goes somewhere, hey i like Holdens too, i own one, i just dont want to see Australia lose an icon due to poor design and overseas market influence

Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X thats ok keep buying fleet, Holdens resale value is pretty bad, almost justifies the cost of the Audi, their resale is solid Comparing Audis to Holdens is like comparing apples to oranges. One is an imported prestige car which only sells in very small numbers here, while the other is a local high volume sales topping product whose main customer are fleets. Of course holdens resale value will be weaker when they are sold in such large numbers. Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X thats what i think of the pictures ive seen of it so far, its my opinion and im entitled to it You've seen a couple of heavily camouflaged and disguised test mules, c'mon it's hardly a basis for such damming comments. You haven't even given it half a chance. Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X take the fleet sales out of the equation then see where it all lies Corolla also sells heavily to fleet markets - Car rental companies is one example. Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X i agree with you there to a degree, yes the resale value wont be hurt as much but while they still have fleet, resale on a commodore will always be a bitch Holden, together with Toyota probably have the highest resale value out of the Australian made models. Ford's resale value is significantly worse, and has been for a while now, but I don't see you bagging them. Go to an auction and you will see BA's selling on average between $1000 - $2500 lower than the equivalent VY/VZ. Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X and what are the figures exactly? not being a smart ass, if its not less than 13/100 km combined then i think thats fairly thirsty HSV claim 13.5/100, which I consider outstanding for a 297kw 6 litre V8. Here is a quote out of a VZ R8 review- Quote: Another HSV tradition it breaks from is in fuel consumption. Although it will consume heavily in slow traffic, on the open road it can be amazingly frugal for a high-performance V8. Our best figure, measured fill-to-fill, was just under 10 litres per 100km. Even when King Kong comes out to play consumption doesn't deteriorate to the frightening extent it does with some V8s. A section of winding road produced an average of 14 litres per 100km, not far off what you'd use in some of the heavier Holden V6 models. Source:http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...E13232,00.html (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15391027%255E13232,00.html) Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X hey i like Holdens too, i own one, i just dont want to see Australia lose an icon due to poor design and overseas market influence Same with me, but I have faith in Holden and believe that the VE will be a ripper. It just angers me the way some people are dismissing it as an ugly piece of crap, when they really haven't seen anything yet. However I know these same people will be eating their words when the VE is released. Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by gmhvl6 Comparing Audis to Holdens is like comparing apples to oranges. One is an imported prestige car which only sells in very small numbers here, while the other is a local high volume sales topping product whose main customer are fleets. Of course holdens resale value will be weaker when they are sold in such large numbers. agreed, stupid comparison to start with, engineering aside... also i dont think they look like an audi at all anyway You've seen a couple of heavily camouflaged and disguised test mules, c'mon it's hardly a basis for such damming comments. You haven't even given it half a chance. what about the wheels issue with full pics? absolutely no cammo Corolla also sells heavily to fleet markets - Car rental companies is one example. Holden, together with Toyota probably have the highest resale value out of the Australian made models. Ford's resale value is significantly worse, and has been for a while now, but I don't see you bagging them. Go to an auction and you will see BA's selling on average between $1000 - $2500 lower than the equivalent VY/VZ. ford bagging is so yesterday (j/k) na depends on what model, XR6T is second highest value holder on second hand market, but thats an XR6T, not an XT HSV claim 13.5/100, which I consider outstanding for a 297kw 6 litre V8. Here is a quote out of a VZ R8 review- not too bad, see how they compete with the Chrysler 300C Source:http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...E13232,00.html (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15391027%255E13232,00.html) Same with me, but I have faith in Holden and believe that the VE will be a ripper. It just angers me the way some people are dismissing it as an ugly piece of crap, when they really haven't seen anything yet. However I know these same people will be eating their words when the VE is released. i felt the same way about VTs when they came out... thought they were ugly... liked them for a while... now that theyre everywhere i cant stand looking at them, im keen to see the diesel, hopefully they have a turbo version and hopefully it is optional in the Calais Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

wtf diesel??? European ... yuk.

yeah diesel, theres a 3.0 turbo diesel in the new Grand Cherokee built by Mercedes, it has 160 kw & 510 nm of torque, and uses a VGT so the pick up is quite good and there isnt much lag at all, there is also a 3.0 TD in the A6 which performs even better 165 and 450 nm

Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X what about the wheels issue with full pics? absolutely no cammo That is a computer generated image which Wheels dreamed up on their own, using bits and pieces of the Torana concept and other US cars. The VE will look WAY better than that. Besides, Holden wouldn't allow full pics like that to be published 12 months before release! Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X XR6T is second highest value holder on second hand market, but thats an XR6T, not an XT Thats because it holds that market segment to itself - ie. It is unique and doesn't have a direct competitor. Quote: Originally Posted by Avenged7X im keen to see the diesel, hopefully they have a turbo version and hopefully it is optional in the Calais I am not at all convinced on the benefits of diesel. Not only is the cost benefit negligible, but it is dirty, smelly, polluting and is proven to be highly carcinogenic (cancer causing) in comparison to petrol. I say leave the stuff for trucks. We have to remember that Europe and Australia are two very different markets, just because something is big in Europe doesn't mean it would work here, and vice versa. Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

with the way petrol prices/consumption is going we might have to at least have it as an option, also the diesel we have in Aus is alot dirtier than the diesel in Europe, apparantly we are supposed to be getting better quality diesel by the end of the year, it was supposed to happen this year... but you know how it goes... as for the wheels pic, i wasnt aware that it was computer generated... they really shouldnt do that, it creates the wrong imagery of what the new commodore is going to look like, hence threads like this one...

Quote: Originally Posted by gmhvl6 Just like most people can only dream about owning an Audi. Yes, Holden's technology isn't in the same league but neither is their pricing. For the price of an SS, Calais or HSV you would be lucky to get a bare bones base model Audi. Stuff the Audi, I know where I'd rather spend my money. You obviously know SFA about it then Oh, I'm sorry, Audi invented the diesel engine an is the only manufacturer in the world to use it.. I must bow down to them now. Do some research and get your facts straight, the Corolla has never outsold the Commodore and only outsold Falcon once in July. Other than that it has never come close. Yes, it is smart, this is done for a reason... This is part of the VZ series 1 runout. Now what dealers usually do in a runout is heavily discount the RRP of the car. What that does is essentially weaken the resale value - because the car was sold for a lower price it will be worth less than it should be in the future. With the free fuel offer Holden are doing, they are able to sell the car at retail price which helps its resale value, but at the same time give the customer a $2000/$4000 saving, without devaluing the car. And with fuel prices the way they are, it is also excellent marketing. Have you actually checked the fuel consumption figures for the LS2? They are very impressive for an engine of that size. And with VVT and DOD to soon be features of these engines, their fuel efficiency will only improve. And they still do use pushrod engines, the LS1 and LS2, and these engines prove that a well designed pushrod engine can be vastly superior to an OHC engine. Which means don't underestimate it. True as. Finally some c*nt has got his fu<ken facts straight nand replie with a fuggen dtrait sanser. Good work.. PS i am tuping thi s after about 12 berers after work eeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

i agree

heres some more pics of the VE heres the article http://www.privatefleet.com.au/index...=402&branch=77 (http://www.privatefleet.com.au/index.php?itemID=402&branch=77) Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

hrm the only thing i dont like is the tall forward slanting cab design, looks alot like a late model camry to me. But meh holden have never done us wrong with a new model visually in the past (except vn haha, but even the ss vn's look great) so im not worried, im sure when it finally comes out it will look as good as the ones before it have, which i must say is VERY GOOD for a family car imo.

front end looks tops, roof curve is a bit weird though

looks like a ****ing toyota.

to me it looks really concepty. wonder how they'll sell?

wait till the actual car comes out b4 u judge, these pics will prob be way off compared to the final design.. plus cars generally look **** in pics

that isn`t a commodore!!!!!!!!!its prob the new vectra.........