holden need 2 sell more commodores then tha falcons because holden has to spend more money in development. i agree with 351 a little but i do like the vy series a lot myself and the vz looks even beta VLT RB30 you sound like a loser

Car: Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland<::::::::::: dose it go off road This thread is all SPECULATION on behalf of 351. So why get so bent out of shape Vanquish?

the pictures look real to me

Quote: Originally Posted by Vanquish the pictures look real to me And you have never heard of prototype cars? I see you have just joined. I bet you have another nick or 2 for this forum. Quote: Originally Posted by Vanquish VLT RB30 you sound like a loser Gunna be fun having you around with statement like that on your first day.

i reckon there is quite a possibility these cars have been photoshopped to a degree. there is nothing to disguise anything on them. seems a little odd...

hopefully it isnt a prototype i like the look of it yeah it is speculation since it isnt a fact. but no1 is forcing u to join in the discussion so either say somethin constructive or be quiet

hmmm I remember seeing eaarly pics of the AU before it came out, it was practically covered in masking tape, LOL. The shape change between EL -AU was dramatic, so I can understand the large cover up. I wouldn't be surprised if it does look different to those pics. LOL Vanquish it doesn't matter what people say and what their opinions are, coz 9/10 it's gonna be different to yours. Everyone has the odd disagreement from time to time, (I had 2 yesterday - be easier if I didn't always have to prove I'm right!) LOL hahaha. It's all good boys.

the au was the biggest joke of australian motor history. how can someone release a car so ugly

Quote: Originally Posted by 351 They started making the new HFV6 Engine Plant in late 2003, not the actual engines themself. The Cadillac CTS is the first car in the world to feature the GM HFV6, and it's being released in October. Please get your facts straight before you start dribbling crap like this. The HFV6 plant was completed in mid 2003 and HFV6 production began about October 2003.

Quote: Originally Posted by gmhvl6 Please get your facts straight before you start dribbling crap like this. The HFV6 plant was completed in mid 2003 and HFV6 production began about October 2003. Correctamundo (said in Samuel L's voice). Why the F@ck are people even fighting over this. In September, we'll se who's right and wrong. Those who are wrong can eat their hats, those who got it right can gloat... in September.

Yeah so till then this is all sepculation. But there are 2 facts that has been proven. 1. 351 can give sh*t out but gets annoyed when he Receives it back. 2. Vanquish in infact the loser. No speculation with those facts.

Quote: Originally Posted by gmhvl6 Don't know where you're getting your info from but I know for a fact that: 1. HFV6 production began at FISHERMANS BEND in LATE 2003 for the export markets YES THAT IS A FACT. I WAS WRONG, AND STAND CORRECTED. SEPTEMBER IS JUDGMENT DAY... OR MAYBE SEPTEMBER RELEASE IS SPECULATION TOO? WHO KNOWS, AND BY THE LOOK OF IT, WHO CARES? "NOT MANY, IF ANY"

Quote: VLT RB30 you sound like a loser Quote: but no1 is forcing u to join in the discussion so either say somethin constructive or be quiet Don't sound too constructive if u ask me!

Just incase nobody knows this yet holden is putting 3 different displacements in their v6's in the vz, the engines will be 2.8,3.2, and 3.6 litres in size, a 6 litre v8 is also being made which might just be put in the vz too, it wil definitely b in the series 2 if tnot series 1. The v8 is made for a new chev, compression is around 10:1, i cant find the article but this engine is pretty full on for stock and i cant wait 2 c it in the vz, its been called LS2 apparently, which is a decent name for the engine to replace the LS1

There's a GEN III LS6, why would they make a new one called the LS2 ?

not sure but the name doesnt really matter, once i find the article ill put up the info on how its been built for the chev, but it puts out sum huge numbers so they might tone it down a little for the commodore

Quote: Originally Posted by JuZi Just incase nobody knows this yet holden is putting 3 different displacements in their v6's in the vz, the engines will be 2.8,3.2, and 3.6 2.8 and 3.2 are for the export markets, such as Alfa Romeo etc.. VZ will be getting the 3.6 only. BTW, saw a red VZ SS ute driving on the Western Hwy in Deer Park today, nearly snapped my neck turning to see it! Front looked exactly the same as the blue sedan in the spy pics, however it did not have the side vent thing in the guard. In my opinion it looks really good. Much better in real life than in the pictures.

did the ute have a revised rear end at all?

I only caught a quick glimpse of the rear but it appeared unchanged from the VYII.

what are you asking 4 them (vltbt1)