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Originally Posted by hsvtrev
Is it a RB30? does it have wheels? get over it. You guys are on another planet, you crap on about the fastest RB30E having 130 something rwkw, yee farkin ha, a stock vlt with cooler, exhaust and boost controller can pump out over 170rwkw without changing cam or anything else. A 700hp boat would be fantastic but we are talking about cars with 3L engine so don't change the subject to big note yourself
why dont you listen to yourself and get over the fu*ken turbo BS is you want to talk turbos go into the proper section, this is about NA and leave it at that. ffs its idiotic to come here and brag about my fully sik vl turbo that can pull seconds and it only cost me a dime. we are enjoying our time and money spent on our NA vl so the over it.
I doubt even they can bump their figures up that much. Even if it's wrong, I'd bet it'd still be over 200. And before anyone say's it, yes I know it's HP not KW. Still..
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Originally Posted by Steve
i think if it was actually possible to use the crank from the L24 motor to turn an RB30 into a 3.3L then why arent a lot more people doing it??
well???????
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Originally Posted by NA-jet
why dont you listen to yourself and get over the fu*ken turbo BS is you want to talk turbos go into the proper section, this is about NA and leave it at that. ffs its idiotic to come here and brag about my fully sik vl turbo that can pull seconds and it only cost me a dime. we are enjoying our time and money spent on our NA vl so the over it.
I agree mate.
This is called the N/A section for a reason and its to discuss N/As, whether its problems that need fixing or modifying them, we dont need the Turbo boys coming in here telling us that spending money on N/As is a waste of time.
FFS we're all VL enthusiasts here arent we? why cant we all just accept that we all drive the same god damn car, the only difference is us N/A guys dont have a Turbo or a extra 2 Cylinders.
I'm sorry but this whole VL Turbo guys vs N/A VL guys sh*t is starting to piss me off beyond the point that I wonder why I even bothered with a VL to start with.
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Originally Posted by coastvl
I doubt even they can bump their figures up that much. Even if it's wrong, I'd bet it'd still be over 200. And before anyone say's it, yes I know it's HP not KW. Still..
I have been told by the guy who dyno's my car that you can bump up figures, but they would only be cheating themselves. I thought we were talking about quickest not most powerful vl anyway. I can remember anyone saying the fastest vl has 130rwkws. Conditions are a major factor in what a car runs down the quarter anyway.
If anyone in victoria is interested in running their n/a at calder sometime, i would be happy to join you and see what times we can get it would be a lot more fun.
lol, whata ****ed up thread. ive been in 474rwkw blown ls1's, ive been in a 900hp plus blown pontiac, ive been in a 216rwkw vlt and still i prefer a na. in a v8 only though
btw, nitrous and forced air ind are diff to the dumb ****s.. ones an octane booster, were as another is forced air induc.
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Originally Posted by Wyndup
Octane Booster? Lol!!!...........................
???.. im scared, lol. however when i see pics of your vlt, i tend to forget bout sum n/a's, lol. u got a good example...
I've always thought that the Nissan 6 was the best engine to make way in a Commodore up until now. For only 3L and being 20yrs old it's a fairly good engine. It outweighs the black 202 in probably all aspects and compared to the Buick V6 and the Ecotec it goes good considering it's size. I'm sure if there was such thing as a 3.8L RB, it would kill the V6.
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Originally Posted by Magnum06
I've always thought that the Nissan 6 was the best engine to make way in a Commodore up until now. For only 3L and being 20yrs old it's a fairly good engine. It outweighs the black 202 in probably all aspects and compared to the Buick V6 and the Ecotec it goes good considering it's size. I'm sure if there was such thing as a 3.8L RB, it would kill the V6.
I agree.
IMO the RB30 is still a great motor, even if it's not a powerhouse. To this day I've never heard a decent reason as to why the RB30E is so crap, apart from not making 1,000,000KW.
Atleast they don't have to worry about boost straining on them, like the RB30ET, which could be why the RB30Es seem to last longer. Buick V6s and Ecotecs would be nothing if they were the same size.
They are quite overrated considering a S2000, will anilate any Buick or Ecotec powered Commodore. They maybe quite powerful in the Commodore world, but agains't other cars they are sh*t.
bump bump!!! apologies G will do a better search b4 starting a new thread. sorry for goin too far with my bullssshhiit man, its unlike me to carry on like that
go da rb30e my car has done like ova 340 thousand k's and still going strong. Unsure if is the iriginal motor think has been replaced with these km. But never misses a beat always starts and takes a kaning every now n then. long live the rb30's
you could probably make just over 2hp per cube on a N/a Rb30 if it had a high comp (14:1) rb26 head, lots of porting, big cams, mechanical methanol injection (kinsler or similar) and custom built big diameter headers
build the bottom end the same as a tuff turbo motor (with lumpier pistons of course) get someone to do the head, and youd probably have to adapt the injection from 1 and a half sprint car set ups (or something) then tune it (mechanical injection is p*ss easy to tune when you know how)
it would probably cost less than a turbo set up coz there is
a) no turbo
b) no intercooler or associated plumbing
c) no expensive computer
but after all that 2 hp per cube is only 366hp/270kw, which would work out to be what, 270rwhp/200rwkw??
how much does a standard Vl weigh?
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Originally Posted by PSI-EFI
btw, nitrous and forced air ind are diff to the dumb ****s.. ones an octane booster, were as another is forced air induc.
lol octane booster wtf?? nitrous is forced induction mate! ever heard it called "blower in a bottle"?
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Originally Posted by VK6cyl
you could probably make just over 2hp per cube on a N/a Rb30 if it had a high comp (14:1) rb26 head, lots of porting, big cams, mechanical methanol injection (kinsler or similar) and custom built big diameter headers
build the bottom end the same as a tuff turbo motor (with lumpier pistons of course) get someone to do the head, and youd probably have to adapt the injection from 1 and a half sprint car set ups (or something) then tune it (mechanical injection is p*ss easy to tune when you know how)
it would probably cost less than a turbo set up coz there is
a) no turbo
b) no intercooler or associated plumbing
c) no expensive computer
but after all that 2 hp per cube is only 366hp/270kw, which would work out to be what, 270rwhp/200rwkw??
how much does a standard Vl weigh?
lol octane booster wtf?? nitrous is forced induction mate! ever heard it called "blower in a bottle"?
What are "lumpier pistons"?
I can't see you getting 270kw out of an NA 3L, even with the above mods (which would cost $10k+)
They weigh 1350kg
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Originally Posted by NZ EVLHSV
What are "lumpier pistons"?
pistons with more dome height compared to turbo pistons which results in higher compression ratios......
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Originally Posted by NZ EVLHSV
I can't see you getting 270kw out of an NA 3L, even with the above mods (which would cost $10k+)
really? well the speedway boys get 330hp+ out of 165cu in, 2 valve, pushrod 4 cylinders, so why couldnt you get a bit more from a 183cu in, 4 valve, DOHC 6 cylinder??
who cares if it cost $10,000, it would be different and interesting, fun to develop, you'd actually learn something new along the way ect etc the list goes on!
a rough calculation shows that 366hp and 1350kg equals a 12.44 second ET!!
well i know its not a VL and its defiently not the fastest out there, but i have a VH commodore with rb30e, extractors, exhaust, stage 3 computer chip, big cam, vl turbo fuel pump and bigger injectors. Had alot of unnessicary stuff like aircon, fans, vents, powersteering taken out to shed a couple of kilo's and to save alot of wiring. It seems like a nice project cause it is lighter (1180kg) then a VL with the rb30 in it, anyone guess rough power figures or ET for a quater?
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Originally Posted by GLD-086
I had a argument on StreetCommodores about this exact topic saying I would spend money on my N/A too make it quick.
If you have a quick N/A and it only gets to a 14 second pass and you spend 1000s of dollars on it who cares, theres no assistance from a Turbo so it makes it more rewarding.
you have got to be serious...
right?
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Originally Posted by genki
you have got to be serious...
right?
Ehh that comment I made was from 2 years ago.
Looking back now, it was a pretty stupid comment. I still like N/As though.
