Just saw this on Perth now proposed new power to weight ratio laws coming in not only for l and p platers but for all under 21 year old drivers http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/west...-1226250231653 (http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/young-drivers-face-hot-car-ban-until-21/story-e6frg143-1226250231653)

well that sucks for everyone else. i turn 21 in may this year. hopefully they dont bring it in before next week otherwise i cant buy my new car!

Shouldn't come in for a while yet as its just what they are proposing but still a kick in the teeth for young guys who enjoy cars and arnt irresponsible on the roads

yer they're trying to wipe out the car culture amongst youngens. hoon laws made a big impact i think. limiting power to weight til 21 is stupid i reckon. its the same as the drink drive laws of p platers needing a 0.0 reading. once they get off their p's they think its a ****en license to drink drive.

Yeah I predict the death rate wil go up in drivers aged 21 to about 23 due to lack of experience with real power under they're foot but at the end of the day it really is creating overall inexperienced drivers and it will ruin it for the people who generally have a love for cars and arnt retards behind the wheel

Won't change a think. My piece of **** Nissan pulsar with a slipping clutch will still hit 130, and that's enough to tear cars apart... High performance cars is not the answer.

F�cking b�ll**** hey. They won't be able to do anything if you already own the car will they?

Thats where I guess the hoon laws will kick in if your caught driving it tho

I don't think is too bad of an idea, there is a high incidence of young males that drive irresponsibly and in cars that are far too powerful for their age/driving experience. Its well documented that males don't reach full maturity (mentally) until late 20's as opposed to females reaching maturity by early 20's. There is a heap of research and evidence out there showing young males having issues with impulse control, lack of comprehension of danger and consequences, due to certain structures in their brain not being fully developed. I think saving lives is far more important than some P platers ranting about the injustice then wrapping their car around a tree. End rant

**** your government if i want to wrap myself around a pole let me do it. this isnt ****ing russia.

Quote: Originally Posted by ink [View Post] I don't think is too bad of an idea, there is a high incidence of young males that drive irresponsibly and in cars that are far too powerful for their age/driving experience. Its well documented that males don't reach full maturity (mentally) until late 20's as opposed to females reaching maturity by early 20's. There is a heap of research and evidence out there showing young males having issues with impulse control, lack of comprehension of danger and consequences, due to certain structures in their brain not being fully developed. I think saving lives is far more important than some P platers ranting about the injustice then wrapping their car around a tree. End rant a well said, factual and truthful rant too

Quote: Originally Posted by caibs [View Post] **** your government if i want to wrap myself around a pole let me do it. this isnt ****ing russia. Haha that's gold

Quote: Originally Posted by ink [View Post] I don't think is too bad of an idea, there is a high incidence of young males that drive irresponsibly and in cars that are far too powerful for their age/driving experience. Its well documented that males don't reach full maturity (mentally) until late 20's as opposed to females reaching maturity by early 20's. There is a heap of research and evidence out there showing young males having issues with impulse control, lack of comprehension of danger and consequences, due to certain structures in their brain not being fully developed. I think saving lives is far more important than some P platers ranting about the injustice then wrapping their car around a tree. End rant whilst i do not disagree alex, of the two seperate occasions where i have known people who have died in accidents due to excessive speed, neither of these were in "performance cars". what i meant to say earlier is that no matter what car you are in, you can achieve a speed fast enough to become a missile. I see just as much idiots in yarises as i see in "chevy" v8's down my way... but then again i do live near canning vale... anyway, if the new initiative does reduce the risk a bit, thats fair. driver training for the public will never be implemented, but surely that has as much harm reduction potential if not more. oh and lol at the age maturating comparison, no wonder i like the taste of juve...

http://www.roadwise.asn.au/news/fact...le/at_download (http://www.roadwise.asn.au/news/factsheets/youngdriverfactsheet/file/at_download) Quote: Contrary to popular myth, young drivers are no more at risk of death or serious injury by driving powerful cars than other drivers. WA research showed that between 1999 and 2000, only 3% of young driver crashes involved vehicles with a high power to weight ratio (PWR)*. It is not high powered vehicles that cause crashes, it is the fact that inexperienced drivers speed in vehicles of all types which is largely responsible for their over representation in crash statistics. The UWA research concluded that there is no evidence to suggest that vehicle restrictions would be effective in reducing the crash involvement of young drivers and that young drivers themselves, not their vehicles, should continue to be the focus of road safety countermeasures. Monash Road Safety Report produce for West Australian Road Authority Drummond (1994) has argued that a vehicle power restriction only provides a crash reduction of less than 2% and then only for a small number of young drivers who would normally drive these vehicles; provided their crash risk does not transfer with them to other vehicles. Furthermore, Mayhew and Simpson (2001) concluded that there are no studies that provide evidence to support such restrictions. At a recent young driver expert workshop, Ferguson (2003) confirmed that there was still little evidence of benefits of a restriction. the Monash University Accident Research Centre, found that since Victoria started enforcing the power-to-weight ratio rules in 1995 the incidence of serious accidents had declined by just 2 per cent. the University of Western Australia’s Injury Research Centre, found no evidence that serious injury crashes involving young drivers were linked to high vehicle power-to-weight ratios pinched from another car forum having a similar discussion.

I couldn't really give a sh*t. +10 for ink's post as well. I'm "well over" 21 and I've had no accidents or traffic fines etc...so I got off lucky, I also have the little part in my brain that tells me whether or not something is a good idea at the time or not, and it also calculates the risk involved and consequences of my actions - some people lack this part in their brain, I'm sure of it. Whilst studies may show that it doesn't make any difference what car you are driving....the less cashed up bogans with 'done up fully sick cars', the better. Most have sh*t for brains anyways and do stupid sh*t and make the rest of us look bad. Besides, there are more younger drivers driving "non-performance" cars than those driving what could be considered a "performance car" - the ratio would have to be at least 1 in 15 maybe even higher? So OBVIOUSLY, the amount that would equate to the total amount of younger driver accidents would (or should) be lower...they're a minority still? So that study above doesn't really mean sh*t and should be taken with a grain of salt. There is a higher chance these idiots will also do "dodgier" stuff in a performance car (or performance taxi?) as opposed to if they were driving a low powered vehicle - if you don't believe this, then you're turning a blind eye or just being plain ignorant. Yes any car can speed, yes any car can crash into another object and cause chaos...but a more powerful car = faster = higher risk of losing traction = more inclined to do something reckless, because you can. F*ck, even when driving to and from work you see this idiot mentality - some f*ckwit in either some import sh*tter or "locally" made grunter with P-Plates driving up your rear end when I'm just trying to mind my own bloody business in the peak hour traffic/semi-peak hour traffic...happens 9 times out of 10. Based on what I've seen....personally.....younger drivers listed on a performance car have a higher chance of having an accident of some kind, hence the higher insurance prices etc. The risk is sh*t house. PS: Power/weight is bullsh*t and is a f*cking cop out and proves these c*nts don't know sh*t about cars and shouldn't be dealing with them because they don't want to take the proper actions to actually research what is suitable and what is NOT. In the end, the govt. don't really give a sh*t about anything and just enjoy reeming everybody and making money out of "stupid stuff".

i think everyone should have to get a 250cc motorbike/licence and ride for 2 years before they can get their car licence

Atleast it will get all the young p plate heros off cruises. All in all it will have very little impact. Any one can wrap a bog stock Mazda 121 around a tree at 140 or run over a 2 year old crossing the street. The only real solution is to have better driving training so that when a kid that just gotten their licence is in a bad situation they can get them selves out and not hurt/kill anyone ---------- Post added 28-01-12 at 14:16 ---------- Quote: Originally Posted by Steve [View Post] i think everyone should have to get a 250cc motorbike/licence and ride for 2 years before they can get their car licence I agree. You become alot more aware of what's around you when you are driving after you have spent 2 years rideing around with 5mm of clothing between yourself and the road if you come off after getting side swiped by some ****head talking on their phone and not watching the road

Quote: Originally Posted by VLWAGONIT [View Post] I agree. You become alot more aware of what's around you when you are driving after you have spent 2 years rideing around with 5mm of clothing between yourself and the road if you come off after getting side swiped by some ****head talking on their phone and not watching the road or drink driving... too soon?

I think they should implement the nz way where you can get your learners at 15 ps at 16 but your not allowed passengers unless 1 has a full licence curfew of 10 pm to 6 am with exemptions for those working night shift with proof of course and defensive driving courses to reduce the length of you ps by 6 months it seems to work as nz has a low road toll and it is a country that relays soley on import cars with the majority coming from Japan and very cheap to make go fast roughly 50% of what it costs here But ultimately at the end of the day it all all back on the person behind the wheel