hey guys just thought while i had a couple spear seconds id ask to see weither any of u guys have seen the 2010 VF commy?

There will be an upgrade to the VE later this year, not sure whether it'll be called VF or not. Look for the usual changes; slightly restyled bumpers, lights and wheels etc. The big difference will the be in the engine department, mostly the addition of direct injection to the V6s. Direct injection brings better power and economy - hell that V6 needs all the help it can get! It looks like there will be two engines, a 3.0 V6, and a hi-po 3.8 V6, probably reserved for SV6 and Calais. The coupe 60 concept from a year or so back more than likely hints at the new styling tweaks. Side exit pipes aside, there weren't many external features on that car that couldn't be carried into production. HSV models are apparently receiving "five firsts for an Aussie car" unsure entirely what these will be, but changes will help to differentiate HSV even more from its Commodore beginnings. I'm picking LED headlights/running lights, possibly in the style of the still born GTS-R concept from a few years back will be one of the changes. LPG powered versions are also a possibility. I think we can expect a few more kWs for the HSVs, with the GTS possibly sporting more power than the R8.

Wish they would bring some sought of turbo version out but unlikely Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

Technically there are turbo versions of that V6 about - it's a global engine - used by Alfa Romeo, Saab and Cadillac in different forms. Alfas version sounds heaps better than the Holden; Caddy use the direct injection version that will hopefully feature in the upgrade, and Saab have turboed versions, albeit smaller in capacity; so the technology is there. Really depends on if there is the demand... The XR6 T/FPV F6 engine is one hell of a motor, and would take some beating. GM still have the best V8 tho... Unfortunately will all this recession crap, a blown Holden is unlikely. More likely to see a diesel first. Yeeuch.

I love Diesels. Petrol engines just dont have that instant urge anymore.

Pity they don't rev tho... There is nothin wrong with a good TD for sure, but you can bet that if Holden gets one it'll probably be one of those lame duck VM Motori jobbies... I recently had a drive of an Audi Q7 V12 TDI. F#@k me it was pretty quick. 1000Nm will do that though. Weighed around 2600kg, but did the 0-100 sprint in 5.4 seconds. That's quicker than a VE SS!

Lol. it would be pretty stupid if holden put a VM into a commodore, those things have the worst reputation out, and they love to destroy cylinder heads.

Engine upgrades have been announced for the Commodore, due for release around September. Two new direct injection V6s, 3.0 (190kW 290Nm - base models) and 3.6 (210kW 350Nm - Calais, SV6 etc). Doesn't look like there will be any visual upgrades to Commodores this year, but HSV will be releasing face lifted models around the same time. It's likely that the GTS will receive a few more kWs than the R8 models. Ford is tackling the fuel economy war in a different way, with Falcon looking set to receive a boosted four cylinder in the near future.

Quote: Originally Posted by NZ_GTS Falcon looking set to receive a boosted four cylinder So they'll be taking an XR6 Turbo and cutting a couple pistons off? Could be interesting lol

Nah, it's a different motor all together. From the states I think.

itl RUIN the falcon altogether....die hard for fans wont accept 4 cylinder!!!! I know I wont......itl sound like crap......at least the XR6 turbo now sounds SIK

It's a good move for Ford in my opinion. My old man has a 05 Legacy GT (2L turbo manual) and he gets awesome economy, around 700-800 litres per tank on the open road and 500-600 around town with decent power when you need it. If Ford can make their Falcon a little lighter a 4 cylinder turbo could be a huge success for them in the mass market. People who would normally buy the XR6T or XR8 probably won’t be interested, but that’s not their main market

Will it still be rear wheel drive ?

I believe so

Falcon is staying rear drive for now, but it looks like its days are numbered. If they could secure a contract to provide Falcons to replace the ancient Crown Victoria cop cars in the states its future would certainly be brighter. Until specs for the 4 pot motor are revealed, I am definately sceptical about it - a Legacy GT weighs around 200kg less than an XR6T - thats a hell of a lot of weight that would need to be shed in order to obtain similar performance. Ford knows it'll have to be a good motor, or else they will just end up decorating show rooms. As an example; Nissan recently released two versions of the new Maxima (2.5 & 3.5 V6s) - the 2.5s are just sitting around gathering dust; people still want power. There isn't a hell of a lot of a difference in performance between the two, but with only $3000 separating them, why would you bother with the 2.5?? The 3.5 only uses .7L/100km more, and is ulitmately the better engine/drive - it's a no brainer. Another problem Ford has here is the Mondeo. It's almost as big as a Falcon, it's a bloody good drive and is available with some good motors. Unless you really wanted a RWD, Mondeo is a serious contender as a replacement for a Coon.

Falcons V8 is on it's way out also

Yeah, possibly to be replaced with an engine that was designed with the help of Jaguar back when they were owned by Ford. Apparently this modular engine allows configurations between 5.0 and 5.8 litres, with the 5.8 (351 cubes) producing around 335kW and 580Nms. Mmmm!

Still yet to sample its cousin in the new range of Jaguars, fingers crossed that will change soon Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

I dont like the concept of a 4 cylinder turbo in a falcon.......4 cylinder engines sound terrible and ill argue this to my grave lol