Hey guys ive got a vlt and ive been tossing up between petrol and gas for a while now and due to cost ive decided to go with gas. Im after a list of what gas parts to use and who to contact for information about this setup. "looks torwards gas747"
At the end of the day i want a straight gas injection system for my vl turbo capable of 300rwkw. and have a limit of 5grand. cheers people
Also the goverment grant for converting to gas applies for straight gas conversions too.
So you have 7k to blow
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Speak to Mick or Richie at Rapidflow in Hoppers crossing these guys know what there doin and deal in gas reasearch high performance straight gas systems as well, they just finished my VL its on straight gas also hoping to make around 300kws at the wheels.
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Originally Posted by HDT-VLCLE
Also the goverment grant for converting to gas applies for straight gas conversions too.
So you have 7k to blow
haha yer well there ya go works out cheeper than setting up a good fuel system with ecu,pumps,surge tank,lines,regs,injectors...etc i juss want my bbq rollin. So what does it need i know nothing about lpg
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Originally Posted by sleepaBT1
Speak to Mick or Richie at Rapidflow in Hoppers crossing these guys know what there doin and deal in gas reasearch high performance straight gas systems as well, they just finished my VL its on straight gas also hoping to make around 300kws at the wheels.
sounds good mate did you change your cam or anything else internally on the motor ? do u know if ur car runs 1 or 2 convertors ?
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fark, 5gs is a little low dont you think man?
well with the rebate as said above id have 7grand to spend, and everything ive read on this forum has figures around 4grand ? i have no idea what gas is worth but if a petrol setup for 300rwkw is around 6 including ecu then id imagine gas to be cheaper or am i missing something here?
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fark, 5gs is a little low dont you think man?
LOL as if GAS is expensive to set up man.. compared to a big ass petrol system the cost is pretty decent.
Uve got a tank, lines, convertors, and a mixer.
Compared to petrol u have a fuel cell, lines, pumps, surge tank, regulator, rail, injectors, plus u have to use a throttle body for air only (mixer incorporates a throttlebody and fuel supply in one)..
$7k is PLENTY to get an absolutely awesome gas setup done, Id run a vapour injection setup and a GRA 440cfm t/b.. and have the vapour switching on when ur pushing more boost.
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Originally Posted by Morgz
LOL as if GAS is expensive to set up man.. compared to a big ass petrol system the cost is pretty decent.
Uve got a tank, lines, convertors, and a mixer.
Compared to petrol u have a fuel cell, lines, pumps, surge tank, regulator, rail, injectors, plus u have to use a throttle body for air only (mixer incorporates a throttlebody and fuel supply in one)..
$7k is PLENTY to get an absolutely awesome gas setup done, Id run a vapour injection setup and a GRA 440cfm t/b.. and have the vapour switching on when ur pushing more boost.
its pretty amazing more and more people arent doing it, aside from the economy the extra price for a petrol system is humerous in comparison... a fricken ecu alone could buy a whole straight gas system
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Originally Posted by MaD_WoG
what about gas injection?
its slowly getting mainstream, theres some systems for LS1's ive read but i dont know how performance orientated they are, they probably have small power limits at the moment, dont know for sure though
my cars just gone to a workshop for a strait gas conversion also, although its a 202 thers not much difrence in this situation. still the same parts n ****, tuning would be difrent i guess tho
if you can get (and if u want to) the parts second hand ull save a bit, i got 2x B2 converters and a 480cfm t/b for $570 thru ebay, considering the t/b alone would be $500ish brand new i saved a bit lol.
your correct with the gas injection setups atm, theyre limited in power, but its all a step in the right direction.
the GRA gear does quite a good job anyway. the main problem people have had is geting enough gas to the converters. which has been achieved by either modifying the tank (or buying one already made for twin lines) to run twin gas lines.
will be interesting to see how the 202 goes on gas
will let yas know
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i cant see my setup costing more than $2k including labour? lol
must be ALOT more work getting the setup to handle 250rwkw-300rwkw
would never have thought...
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i cant see my setup costing more than $2k including labour? lol
must be ALOT more work getting the setup to handle 250rwkw-300rwkw
would never have thought...
I agree, i mean what would GAS747 know? lol
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lol nah i didnt mean it like that!
hes a guru for gas research gear on turbo setups!
i meant i had no idea ther was that much work involved in get over around 250rwkw lol
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Originally Posted by VLMuzza
5G limit??? dont bother, building a gas car costs more then a petrol car...
i rang up a few places today and inquired about it also rang gas research in dandenong and they only quoted me $3500 for a system to handle 300rwkw wich he said included twin convertors and there throttle body and tank drive in and out. i was pretty surprised thinking theres no way its that cheep. obviosly id need to run an ice ignition system wich is around $800 and also a custom inlet manifold design like rajabs etc.
So thats about 5 grand already without a cam designed for gas. But i can do all the labour myself so hopefully i can pull it off with 6grand completed keeping in mind id get the 2grand gas rebate dropping it to 4.fingers crossed
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i rang up a few places today and inquired about it also rang gas research in dandenong and they only quoted me $3500 for a system to handle 300rwkw wich he said included twin convertors and there throttle body and tank drive in and out. i was pretty surprised thinking theres no way its that cheep. obviosly id need to run an ice ignition system wich is around $800 and also a custom inlet manifold design like rajabs etc.
So thats about 5 grand already without a cam designed for gas. But i can do all the labour myself so hopefully i can pull it off with 6grand completed keeping in mind id get the 2grand gas rebate dropping it to 4.fingers crossed
f*** man they'd rip you hard. other places are quoting $2500 for the same job.
technically you can get away with any engine management system and disable the fuel curve.
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wont you have to run an ignition only ECU?
Yer i spoke to rajab racing and they reckon not to use a cdi and to go with the ice module and coil as they have had great improvements with it and know it works. aparantly the module is worth $363 and coil was like $160.
And they also recomended using a cast plenum instead of an aluminium welded/polished type becuase of more pressure in the chamber and any imperfection in the weld could cause it to split.
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the conversion can definatly be done cheaper, but if ur chasing big numbers i wouldnt skimp too much on it lol
deffinatly not going to skimp on anything again i learnt that the hard way with gayspec. i aint chasing massive power or anything i just want anywhere from 250-300rwkw but id like to have the head room there since you never know what will happen down the track.
