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diff beetween gapless an standard rings

Started by vlctgold vbmenu_register("postmenu_1189969", true); · 4 Nov 2006 · 14 replies

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hi jus wanted to no whats the diffrence beetween vlt chrome rings an gapless rings? an can i use them wit standard vlt pistons?an whats the advantage of using them? r they better or what? thanks guys jus wanting to know cause i gotta do a rebuild an wanna know what r better i heard the chrome 1's r fairlly good but havent heard anythin bout the gapless 1's
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the gapless rings dont have a gap in them when there fitted into the block. my mate tried to get gapless rings for his 30 and they said they only come in a certain o/s tim also ask stone racing he would know
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Total Seal�s� 2 piece Gapless� Piston Rings seal the end gap with the secondary rail, virtually eliminating "Blow-By". Total Seal pioneered this technology over 25 years ago and has been perfecting it ever since. Available for Top and Second Groove applications. � Increased Horsepower and Torque � Longer Engine Life � Saves Money (Fewer Teardowns) � Improved Consistency � Cleaner, Cooler Engine Oil � Longer Ring Life � Better Oil Control � Less Friction � Increased Intake Signal � Wider Torque Curve � More Engine Vacuum ow it Works... As a normal ring wears, the gap opens up, allowing more combustion gases to escape (blow-by). The Total Seal Gapless� ring solves the problem. Its patented design incorporates a two-part interlocking ring that closes off the gap and provides a better or improved seal between the piston and cylinder. As the Total Seal ring wears, the gap stays sealed, even after dozens of grueling races. Blow-by is a thief. It steals power, it shortens the lubrication life of the crankcase oil, it causes parts to wear out prematurely, and it continues to reduce the power as the ring gap increases in size. Big deal? Yes it is. Blow-by is the escape of combustion gases past the piston rings into the crankcase. Blow-by steals the horsepower from your engine. It reduces usable torque. It cuts the life of engine parts. Racers understand what blow-by is and they know how quickly it can render an engine uncompetitive. To keep blow-by under control, make sure cylinder walls are perfectly round, straight and finished to your ring set. Use your leakdown tester to check each cylinder's leakage after every race. Compression gauges don't test leakdown. In fact, your weekly checklist should include a leakdown test. If your engine is unstable, the data you receive from checking tires or chassis setting may be unusable. And, of course, the best was to stop blow-by is to use Total Seal Gapless piston rings in your engine. Conventional leakdown on a very carefully prepared engine averages 5% -8%. After a few races, with even the best conventional high performance rings, leakdown of 12% or more is common-and we all know that excessive leakdown will make your engine uncompetitive and case premature failure of your parts. Using the Total Seal Gapless ring always keeps your leakdown to 2% or less. Readings of 0%-1% are common even after several races. With Total Seal Gapless rings in your engine you get more compression, more horsepower, more torque, cleaner and cooler oil, better fuel economy and more stable conditions for other testing efforts. Other then that.. im not sure :P Some original photos have not been recovered yet.
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nice thanks mate any 1 no what these gapless rings retail for
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They sound to be alot better.. Well the sales pitch does. Wonder if thay really work.. sould be good if some one with them or someone that knows would post here for us..
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they work
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Quote: Originally Posted by duz360 they work how do u know that they work duz360 have u used them? if u have what is your opinion on them thanks mate
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yeah ive used them. they were very good and the engine had zero blowby on 18 psi. i also snapped one fitting it and had no probs getting the 1 ring sent upto me. most mobs would make you buy a whole new set
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yeh proven results with gapless rings have heard they break but havent seen one break just hear say, you know how it is julian is running gapless and making over 500 at the wheels and 30 psi of boost so yeh they seal very well
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ill be running total seal gaspless on my 2J with 25-35lb and well over 500rwhp i hope they work lol
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a down side is that gapless wear faster, but chromoly rings wear your bore instead anyone know what a set for an rb30 is worth?
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they arent very dear. the company is called A.P.E.P. in melb and the dont open till about 10 am lol
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they sound good in theory, but realistically if they were as great as they made out, production engines would use this type of ring, but i can't think of any that do? unless they can't due to patents, but im sure they could get around that...
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Quote: Originally Posted by RB30-POWER they sound good in theory, but realistically if they were as great as they made out, production engines would use this type of ring, but i can't think of any that do? unless they can't due to patents, but im sure they could get around that... Auto companies probably dont use em cause of extra time & care taken in fitting. Times that by 1000's of engines & youve got a hell of a lot more production cost involved. Being a longer lasting part would also mean a large drop in parts sales...& we all know how much car manufacturers rely on this factor. Dont worry... gapless are the go for forced induction.
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And factory cars arent flogged around a race track with 20-30psi wound up em...
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