http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrne/...B0019D1F0?open (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrne/vrne5nav.nsf/childdocs/-EF561E873D054989CA256FD300241C10-51CFD44AAB448E95CA256FD300241C13-1032E2347336AB5BCA256FEB0019D1F0?open) This is the link to the page containing the VicRoads list link and other relevant information It's not exhaustive because of the sheer number of makes and models of cars that have been produced over the years. Remember that the list is for Victoria only

" If your car is modified, you may also need to obtain an engineer's certificate and do your own calculations. You are also required to notify VicRoads of any significant modification. Penalties for not doing so are severe. " hahaha

the only nissan they ban is the 350z? what about all other imports??? confused as the nsw list is a dozen times larger.

doesnt say vl turbo

This doesnt really help at all... as stated it isnt exhaustive, really if you own any of those cars and your on your P's... please give it back to your parents Daz Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

the 350z is 1kw or hp over the limit loll which is pretty pathetic. these rules are bullashiet, whos going to fork out 120 something bux each time?

they're all new cars on that list. 4 older models i guess u gotta contact vicroads

older cars wont need to be on that list. VL turbo's don't need to be and most V8's dont either. THe power to weight equation isn't that hard to work out. Modified cars is another story though

chiows: y won't olda cars need 2 be on dat list?

because they are allowed to be driven by P platers because they aren't too powerful when it comes to the power to weight ratio rule. It's not rocket science. Look at the power out put then the weight of the car. DO you want me to go over it again?

fair enuff

older cars are lgihter than newer cars... my hg is like 1300 kilo.. a vx commodore is like 1700

Quote: Originally Posted by 88vl older cars are lgihter than newer cars... my hg is like 1300 kilo.. a vx commodore is like 1700 Sorry whats your point exactly?

l's are sweet Some original photos have not been recovered yet.

still got the wagon?

Chiows - 302 and 351 XD falcon sedans, 308 or 350 HQs (apart from GTS) or a 351W XT all break the 3.5L per tonne rule, and they're old cars. Plenty of older cars with V8's are HP vehicles. As for it only being a small fine, that's not the point. Try writing off your car and three others in a high powered vehicle only to have the police arrive and tell you that because you're driving an illegal vehicle you're up on big charges - and your insurance company tell you they won't pay out because you were breaking the law. It's a bigger issue than just $110 every time you get pulled over.

Quote: Originally Posted by Jimma Chiows - 302 and 351 XD falcon sedans, 308 or 350 HQs (apart from GTS) or a 351W XT all break the 3.5L per tonne rule, and they're old cars. Plenty of older cars with V8's are HP vehicles. As for it only being a small fine, that's not the point. Try writing off your car and three others in a high powered vehicle only to have the police arrive and tell you that because you're driving an illegal vehicle you're up on big charges - and your insurance company tell you they won't pay out because you were breaking the law. It's a bigger issue than just $110 every time you get pulled over. As he said, and to clarify, if you do happen to be in an accident and someone dies you will go to jail for manslaughter.

Some powerful cars that you can still drive on your P's include MY99 WRX Automatic (Manual is too light, Auto is just under.) I had one before it died. VT SS Series 1 (I believe the best power and power to weight of any Holden V8 you can drive.) My brother just got one. XC 302 V8's (XA and XB are just too light on the capacity rule, but the XC can be driven in a 302.) The beauty of being able to drive an XC 302 is that the 302 and 351 engines use the exact same block, and only the internals differ. This means a car can be registered as a 302 and use a Cleveland engine anywhere up like 408 cubic inches and be fine. I'm currently looking at an XC with a 380 stroker. One possible way around these laws I haven't looked into properly is changing your vehicle details to list a higher GVM. http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrne/...256FD300241C06 (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrne/vrne5nav.nsf/FirstChild/-E4CFA420ED0C17EBCA256FD300241C06) I'm not sure if this new weight would be used or if the original tare/kerb weight would still be used. For people who are still of the opinion it's only a small fine, my friend rear-ended an early 90's BMW convertible in his VR Senator 215i. He had full comp insurance (which had cost him $2400 with Just Cars) and when he attempted to make a claim they told him he couldn't have the $20,000 agreed value for his car or the $15,000 or so that the owner of the BMW wanted (both cars were written off.) TAC still covered the owner of the BMW for his medical stuff because they have to, but my friend had to extend his finance (which he still owed $8,000 on in principle alone) and now a few months afterwards owes about $35k plus interest. Granted it's rare something like this would happen, and my friend is one unlucky mother****er, but it can and does happen and when it does it's bad news.

So if I Drive a VN 5.0L is that fine? Or is considered as a high powered?

If you mean a 5.0L manual Berlina, then I think the weight is 1440kg in which case the 165kw it has is less than the 180kw you're allowed, and the 4.982 litres is less than the 5.04 you're allowed. The Exec is too light I think. That being said, if VicRoads put a different TARE on your rego sticker you'll still get fines and coppers won't care how much it weighs, but you'd still be able to argue with an insurance company in court.