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antilag whos using it

Started by duz360 · 4 June 2004 · 17 replies

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duz360Archived member
i have an ems stinger computer. it has an antilag function. i wanna set it up before i hit the strip.anybody got it goin
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PSI666Archived member
yeah i got antilag on the mazda. wife wont let me put a turbo on it. or nos sorry had to do it
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duz360Archived member
how do you have antilag without a turbo. you would have constant lag wouldnt you!
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PSI666Archived member
oh yeah. doh! i'll just go over here ----> for a minute and think about what i done : D
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KriegerArchived member
seriously, i wouldn't use it. turbos aren't made to be used like jet engines. Some original photos have not been recovered yet.
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NVL30TArchived member
How does anti-lag work?
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SinArchived member
search or check howstuffworks.com
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Mr VLArchived member
Anti-Lag: LINK (http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/bangbang.html)
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spoolnArchived member
hey buddy, you'll need at least 50 antilag systems to get that thing down the 1/4. Ive seen the times it pulls.......... Some original photos have not been recovered yet.
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duz360Archived member
quaidos dat u
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duz360Archived member
hey cheif hows the wrx hunt goin!
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spoolnArchived member
Quote: Originally Posted by duz360 hey cheif hows the wrx hunt goin! Hey mate just joking whats happening? Yeah its going ok just have to save some more money up. When you running your car again?
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duz360Archived member
Quote: Originally Posted by spooln Hey mate just joking whats happening? Yeah its going ok just have to save some more <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=money&v=56">money</a> up. When you running your <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=car&v=56">car</a> again? soon got slicks
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spoolnArchived member
Have a read of this bro! Anti-lag systems retard the ignition timing and, in combination with a throttle opening system such as a solenoid, idle speed motor or throttle screw, open the throttle wide open, so unburned fuel and a large amount of air pass through the engine and, instead of igniting in the engine, the fuel/air ignites in the exhaust manifold, and spins the turbo over, even at low engine speed. The theory is, as soon as you open the throttle, you have full boost and no lag. The air needed for this combustion is provided by the standard throttle body, which is opened to a greater extent than normal whilst anti-lag is running... The way the throttle is held open is a discussion within itself. On Autronic and Motec M800, they use the idle speed motor, where as on other ECUs such as PossumLink and Motec M48 (for example, which hasnt got enough outputs to run an idle speed motor), a throttle screw or solenoid is used to keep the throttle open (as stated by Group N rally rules). Running a throttle screw or solenoid allows more air to flow in, hence a greater anti lag effect. On my car, I have a VR Commodore air-con solenoid to hold the throttle open. Having a constant throttle opening with a throttle screw is not convenient on a street car.....throttle screws are fine on rally cars, as driveability isnt their main concern. The ECU uses an idle control sequence so that once you've set the target idle speed, the anti-lag will cut a spark in a rotational sequence with each cylinder, which is why they idle so lumpy, and thus the reason its called rotational idle. If there was no rotational idle, the engine wouldnt idle at all, because the throttle is so far open that the engine would just rev. As soon as the RPM goes over the arming target (which on my PossumLink, is set to 4000rpm), the anti-lag goes into full anti-lag mode, and it pops and bangs very loudly. The size of the bangs and pops depends on the amount of ignition retard. Once the revs come back down, it idles very loudly at about 2000rpm. As soon as the engine is placed under any load, even just cruising, there is positive boost pressure....and in some applications (mine ), it will produce 1.3 bar at 2500rpm.. If the RPM doesnt meet the RPM arming target for a certain amount of time (user definable on some ECUs, preset on others IE 15 seconds), the anti-lag switches back into the rotational idle until the revs are increased to the arming target once again. The anti lag is NOT a good street modification. When the engine is in anti-lag stand by mode, the idle is lumpy and makes the whole car shake, not to mention it being super loud, although it does sound awesome The actual engine is MUCH louder with the anti-lag turned on, because of the massive air flow, its pops and jumps around at low speed, and if you go over the anti-lag rpm threshold, the car gets even LOUDER, and pops flames. It makes the brakes very hard due to the lack of vacuum, and it can catch you out if your not careful. Rally cars dont have to worry about vacuum because they run pedal boxes anyway To take off, you have to bring the revs up or it'll stall and buck around like a demon, which isnt good for the clutch or gearbox. As already stated, lots of throttle is needed to keep the car driving smoothly Different story at the track though. It produces tyre smoking launches, boost comes on instantly, and there is no need for flat changing or anything like that, because the anti-lag does all the work for you keeping the engine on boost The rotational idle is actually beneficial to the turbo, it cools it right down after a run, and if you feel the engine bay, you can actually feel how cool it is if you leave the rotational idle on for a while. As for turbo longevity, rally cars run incredibly aggressive anti-lag 100% of the time, so it compromises the metallurgy of the turbo, exhaust valves and manifold, requiring them to be replaced at regular intervals. On a street car, with occasional use, EGTs arent a huge problem, unless you go onto the freeway, rev the engine out and back off the throttle...high RPM over run for constant periods of time with the anti-lag switched on is what damages turbos and exhaust manifolds, because of excessive EGTs. Some high end ECUs have an EGT recovery strategy, that reduces or disables anti-lag when EGTs exceeds the set figure, as long as the EGT sensor is connected to the ECU, which means you save your exhaust manifold, exhaust valves and turbo from melting into a heap On the street for every day driving, anti-lag is useless, and its only good for wow factor and as a conversation point on car cruises and shows. It does produce tyre smoking launches and awesome throttle response, but we dont do this on the street anyway do we?
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duz360Archived member
[quote=spooln]Have a read of this bro thanks but i know how it works.not gonna use it anyway probably.seen your old cal cruisin a few times
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spoolnArchived member
[quote=duz360] Quote: Originally Posted by spooln Have a read of this bro thanks but i know how it works.not gonna use it anyway probably.seen your old cal cruisin a few times No worries frodo, hows the quest for the ring going anyway? Not going to use it!! are you serious!! My bro uses it on his lawn mower, it runs 10's!!!!
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exmotrboArchived member
20psi in neutral is cool... i've played with antilag a bit.....
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duz360Archived member
Quote: Originally Posted by spooln No worries frodo, hows the quest for the ring going anyway? Not going to use it!! are you serious!! My bro uses it on his lawn mower, it runs 10's!!!! hes nuts man. he can cut my grass any time
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