I have heard Holden have found out the cause of the GENIII piston wearing problem and have fixed it,my father heard through someone who is fanatical about them that while the first of the GENIII's were fine,the engines fitted to the series II VX & series I VY Commodores were built in Canada whereas the first of them were built in America.
In Canada they apparently got there piston to bore clearance wrong which led to many of the 5.7 litre Holdens using oil excessively and having piston slap on startup,it apparently also takes a Holden dealer 3 days to rectify the problem as the engine needs reboring & oversized pistons & rings fitted which has fixed this batch of them up.
This isn't an open invitation for Ford people to bag a Holden either,apparently a driver of a company which uses Fairlaines say that the ones up to the AUIII all have automatic transmission problems,"he" says while the 4 litre engines are fairly reliable the transmissions for some reason have a habit of chewing out clutches then leaking oil like a sieve,that company is now buying Holden V8 Statesmans when it comes time to update their fleet,price was the only reason they used Fords.
Being that everyone knows about the Gen3 engine having oil consumption problems, (with the actual fix is to get teflon coated (if memory serves me right) pistons fitted, and the boring + hoaning + rings fitted will fix the problem) why do you feel that Ford fans (like myself) would come on here starting to bag the oil guzzler?
I mean its no big deal, if you buy a new car the warranty covers all the work, so other than being pissed off for not having your car for 3days and having to thrash the crap out of a loan car, I cant see why people would need to bag the old engine.
Even though the engine is rebuilt with the new super dooper pistons and rings, they can still fail, and have failed as seen on the fantastic show called 'Today Tonight'. Nothing is perfect, only a small percentage of cars are affected, and life goes on.
By the way, how come you said:
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This isn't an open invitation for Ford people to bag a Holden either
And then you didnt hesitate to rip into Fords, go figure that one?
The trusty old 4L will clock up 1,000,000kms with only regular servicing, the fantastic BTR 4 speed auto will clock up almost 500,000km before being thrown in the bin. I'd like to see a 3.8L auto get close to that.
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By the way, how come you said:
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This isn't an open invitation for Ford people to bag a Holden either
And then you didnt hesitate to rip into Fords, go figure that one?
Geez South, thats because Holdens are better than Fords, I thought everyone knew that
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Anyone notice that all the Gen IIIs on Today Tonight that had problems were manuals.
NSW Police have all autos and I've never heard of them having any problems.
Any GenIII that I know of personally that has had probs has been manual too.
Me thinks people over rev them in manual form.
They should have got their **** together before they started releasing their engines to the public.
It will learn them a good lesson, and also give ford a chance to woop ass with their DOHC V8.
Its a big hassle to get your engine done again, and it probably be really dodgy as well. Just like cutting your arm open and letting it heal, it aint exactly the same as it was before you cut it. Same goes for an engine.
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Its a big hassle to get your engine done again, and it probably be really dodgy as well. Just like cutting your arm open and letting it heal, it aint exactly the same as it was before you cut it. Same goes for an engine.
....I'd prefer an engine rebuilt by hand with a bit of attention payed to checking tolerances and specs and making sure things are right than something slapped together with 1000's of other engines on a production line.
But thats just me
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HOLD64, if your building your own engine by hand then you take all the care in the world, but if holden have to honor a rebuild and 1000s of those under costly warranty, i dont think the quality of the engine being put together would be similar to one you might do yourself.
they wouldnt mic it up as meticulously as you or i would. Probably give it a balance, the rings in the pistons and put it all together.
ide rahter an engine from a factory rather than a habib rebuild that you pay for, such as at an engine reconditioner.
If you build your own engine, you have an infinite amount of labor at your disposal which doesnt cost you nothing. But at an engine reconditioner, they have to get it out and ready quickly for it to be profitable. Ive seen "retail" performance engines been built and ive seen the same engine builder build his own, and he takes 4 times the amount of time and measures everything more than twice, + gets his friend to go over what he did.
Not saying that getting a engine fully built by someone else is trash, but they wouldnt care for it and give it as much 'love and attention' as you would, because its not their engine.
Ive worked for a few different car dealers and they all have their faults(both dealers and cars) I had a vt clubsport and had nothing but trouble with it, traded it on a Vt senator and have only to service it, both holden donks not that chev ****.
My brother had the same thinks happen only with a fords- so what do you do.
well the 3.8 im driving has well over 400000 km on the standard tranny and engine, only now are we starting to have trouble with the car, i have to take it inot holden so they can hook it up to there computer to find out what sensor isnt working, tranny has never missed a beat. Strongest engine i have driven with so far, havnt seen a ford get even close to this car and it still has enough power to beat most cars on the road!!!!!!
haha it is a bit of a funny one. most of the G3's rebuilt were for a combination of oil consumption and piston slap. engines got rebuilt for being noisy were some for excess oil consumption. the fix was to put revised pistons in with teflon pads on the side, on rare occassion the motor got a hone but never a bore, if that was the case the motor got scrapped. and if a dealer needs to have it for 3 days they are taking too long. i did a few rebuilds for holden and it took 2 days max and one day if you have done a few. but dont quote me on that. the rebuilds are done in car cause its easier that way, but a prick to do the big ends up side down.
we never heard of any gen3 being better cause it was built in canada.
and yes the police cars never had any dramas go figure????
and no it didnt matter whether the car was manual or not.
anyways hope this helps.
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The trusty old 4L will clock up 1,000,000kms with only regular servicing, the fantastic BTR 4 speed auto will clock up almost 500,000km before being thrown in the bin
Which is why ford should stick to building taxis.....
Gen III is a chev motor anyway, we all know Holden cant actually build and design an engine of their own these days.....
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while the first of the GENIII's were fine,the engines fitted to the series II VX, series I VY Commodores were built in Canada whereas the first of them were built in America. In Canada they apparently got there piston to bore clearance wrong which led to many of the 5.7 litre Holdens using oil excessively and having piston slap on startup,
So if you were to get a VT clubsport R8 of VX S1 SS or something you'd be alright?
i never had the problem with burning oil in my LS1, which was a VT Series 2. Holden/Chevrolet wouldnt be bothering to do any work to the LS1 to get rid of piston slap/oil burning since it is being phased out as the L76 is taking its place due to EURO2 emission restrictions.
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Anyone notice that all the Gen IIIs on Today Tonight that had problems were manuals.
NSW Police have all autos and I've never heard of them having any problems.
Any GenIII that I know of personally that has had probs has been manual too.
Me thinks people over rev them in manual form.
Both the auto and manuals engines have rev limiters. You can also manually shift an auto.
