when you buy a group A front bar, do you get the enitre thing (from the bottom to the bottom of the lights? or is it just an extension that clips on some how? i went to www.ssv.com.au and found this Quote: FRONT SPOILER VL GRP A Product code : 0023 VL HDT GROUP A FRONT SPOILER ( Fits over existing front bar)...................FREIGHT EXTRA and i also saw on ebay just the bottom bit for sale. anyone shed some light on this for me?

It bolts up to your standard front bar. When you buy it you dont get another standard front bar with it. Spray painters generally hate to put these bumpers on, apparently a real bitch to get just right.

Quote: Originally Posted by RB3-747 apparently a real bitch to get just right. hell yeah, it glues on with sikaflex and trying to get a nice neat flush fit is pretty difficult

Yeah, i dont just want the extension, but the whole thing... where could i find one??

Don't think there is such a thing as "the whole thing"??? Mine went ok. Just take your time and it will pay off in the end!

Yeah, there is such thing. I saw an article in Street Commodores where they featured a white VL Exec and it had a signature group 3 bumper, and it was "the whole thing", i.e. nothing attached or glued on, etc.

The Signature series front bars, are the whole thing. look similar to the Group A, but a little different. These are around $500 (supply only) i think, genuine HDT only, no aftermarket.

^^Yeah, thats the one i was talking about. Thanx. Can i get them from Holden?

i've been told on the street commodores a guy is avaible to get non genuine group 3 kits for around 700ish and full group a kits for about 600ish

Fly_by_VL, I'm not sure if Holden would sell it, as its a HDT kit, but they may. I got my prices from ASV (Adelaide Special Vehciles) Try holden, them or maybe SSV.